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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4920700" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>Sadly tho, 'score a critical hit' does not include 'circumvent the hit mechanics' either. Please find where it does. -If- it does, then you'll notice it's through automatic hit rules. Precision says -no- to that.</p><p></p><p>If it doesn't, then you have a case where you're using the assumption success occured to prove that failure is impossible. You have no instance telling you success is assured, which means you have no exception to the normal hit rules, because you are not told that you hit at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's another way to look at it: You are attacking a square you think an enemy is in with a power. You have a feature that says 'You hit'. He is invisible, and is not in the square. Do you hit?</p><p></p><p>The answer is 'no' because even if the ability says you hit, you do not get to automaticly apply a hit when that hit is rendered impossible with the situation.</p><p></p><p>Here's another situation. Let's assume Holy Ardor works as you say. You roll doubles. The above situation occurs. Do you hit?</p><p></p><p>No. You already -know- you do not hit.</p><p></p><p>This means that you don't get to circumvent hit mechanics just because the text says 'You score a critical.' If it worked as you say, it would circumvent -all- methods of failure with regards to hits.</p><p></p><p>Clearly it does not, therefore the argument that 'score a critical hit' implies the hit will occur is flawed. You are missing something there, so please point out the missing premise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4920700, member: 71571"] Sadly tho, 'score a critical hit' does not include 'circumvent the hit mechanics' either. Please find where it does. -If- it does, then you'll notice it's through automatic hit rules. Precision says -no- to that. If it doesn't, then you have a case where you're using the assumption success occured to prove that failure is impossible. You have no instance telling you success is assured, which means you have no exception to the normal hit rules, because you are not told that you hit at all. Here's another way to look at it: You are attacking a square you think an enemy is in with a power. You have a feature that says 'You hit'. He is invisible, and is not in the square. Do you hit? The answer is 'no' because even if the ability says you hit, you do not get to automaticly apply a hit when that hit is rendered impossible with the situation. Here's another situation. Let's assume Holy Ardor works as you say. You roll doubles. The above situation occurs. Do you hit? No. You already -know- you do not hit. This means that you don't get to circumvent hit mechanics just because the text says 'You score a critical.' If it worked as you say, it would circumvent -all- methods of failure with regards to hits. Clearly it does not, therefore the argument that 'score a critical hit' implies the hit will occur is flawed. You are missing something there, so please point out the missing premise. [/QUOTE]
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