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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4922215" data-attributes="member: 71571">No, it's making two attack rolls however, and what you claim is the context of Precision, an attack roll, is the situation happening that allows those doubles in the first place.I figured that was obvious, seeing as OoE says 'MAKE TWO ATTACK ROLLS'Rolling a natural 20 on an attack roll is not the same thing as an attack roll either.  Both are events, but one is the effect, and the other is a cause.Precision is concerned with 'an attack roll' as you say, which is the -cause-.  That -cause- still applies to Holy Ardor.  And there is no way you can say that -cause- doesn't apply, because Oath of Emnity flat out -tells you- to make attack rolls.I thought that was obvious.No, doubles on a pair of attack rolls is the -result- of an attack roll in this instance.  So that context STILL APPLIES.Putting your fingers in your ears and saying 'blah blah blah' and flat out ignoring the fact that in order for Holy Ardor to work, at some point, you have to make attack rolls.  And attack rolls are what Precision apply to.And you're doing it.Seriously.The -result- of that attack roll is modified by different factors than you might be used to, but that doesn't take the context away from it, nor does any of that make Precision not work.  And we've -proven- it isn't a situation Precision can't handle, as we -went ahead and showed it working just fine-.You claim the rules can't handle it, but we've proven that the rules -can.-THAT IS A PROOF.  That is not 'suggestion.'  That is not 'intension' or 'speculation.'  We've disproven your claim; proven that the rules can handle the situation by showing you how it does, and how it can.  It is -not- an opinion, it is a fact.So -please- stop ignoring or disregarding facts that do not support your argument.  Please stop saying the facts are not facts because they do not support your argument.  And the fact is:  The rules support Holy Ardor just fine.  You don't need to read -anything- into it other than what you'd read into any other critical-hit granting power.That's why Occam's Razor points to our position... because it's simply the most reasonable and simplest fit:  That it's business as usual.</blockquote>

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