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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4923630" data-attributes="member: 65152">One more thought Artoomis.In your intrepritation you are invoking Holy Ardor in step 4 (Compare your attack roll...) and yet maintain that Holy Ardor is &quot;not an attack roll&quot;.&nbsp; You then try to use this (Holy Ardor) that grants you a critical hit (see step 5 - apply damage) to prove that you don't need to &quot;Compare your attack roll&quot;.What if I tried to perform an OA on my turn.&nbsp; Does that work?What if I tried to perform a move action when it isn't my turn.&nbsp; Does that work?What if I tried to use Weapon Focus during &quot;Compare your attack roll...&quot;&nbsp; Does that work?You are trying to use an ability (Holy Ardor) on an action (Compare your attack roll) to which it doesn't even apply according to your own argument.&nbsp; Your words.&nbsp; Your position.This is essentially your process:You are skipping step 4 entirely (Compare your attack roll) going to step 5 (apply damage), invoking Holy Ardor and then using the granted &quot;Critical Hit&quot; to prove that you were allowed to skip step 4 in the first place.&nbsp; You have put the proverbial cart in front of the Horse and that my friend IS circular logic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 4923630, member: 65152"] One more thought Artoomis. In your intrepritation you are invoking Holy Ardor in step 4 (Compare your attack roll...) and yet maintain that Holy Ardor is "not an attack roll". You then try to use this (Holy Ardor) that grants you a critical hit (see step 5 - apply damage) to prove that you don't need to "Compare your attack roll". What if I tried to perform an OA on my turn. Does that work? What if I tried to perform a move action when it isn't my turn. Does that work? What if I tried to use Weapon Focus during "Compare your attack roll..." Does that work? You are trying to use an ability (Holy Ardor) on an action (Compare your attack roll) to which it doesn't even apply according to your own argument. Your words. Your position. This is essentially your process: You are skipping step 4 entirely (Compare your attack roll) going to step 5 (apply damage), invoking Holy Ardor and then using the granted "Critical Hit" to prove that you were allowed to skip step 4 in the first place. You have put the proverbial cart in front of the Horse and that my friend IS circular logic. [/QUOTE]

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