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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4925044" data-attributes="member: 111">Well, by that logic you'd never get an Automatic Hit.First, you'd roll to hit.&nbsp; If you did not beat the defender's attack roll, you'd miss and never move on down the possible attack results to Automatic Hit. If you missed, you cannot continue on to check for a automatic hit, because you've already missed.Really, you are making the wrong argument.&nbsp; Page 276 defines Critical Hit whereas page 278 explains it and adds more details on how to rule on them.Your argument about you can &quot;score a critical hit&quot; and still miss is fundamentally flawed because of the very definition of Critical Hit on page 276.Instead, you should focus on why &quot;score a critical hit&quot; in plain language really means only &quot;potentially score a critical hit.&quot;Arguments around that at least have some merit.&nbsp; You argument that a critical hit can be a miss is essentially that black is white, and thus cannot stand.Again, I point to the fact that page 276 states that there there are only two possible &quot;Attack Results: &quot;Hit and Miss.&quot;Critical Hit falls into the category of &quot;Hit.&quot;Given that fact, how can a Critical Hit turn out to be a Miss?&nbsp; It's simply not possible and would indeed be akin to stating &quot;black is white.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 4925044, member: 111"] Well, by that logic you'd never get an Automatic Hit. First, you'd roll to hit. If you did not beat the defender's attack roll, you'd miss and never move on down the possible attack results to Automatic Hit. If you missed, you cannot continue on to check for a automatic hit, because you've already missed. Really, you are making the wrong argument. [B][I]Page 276 defines Critical Hit[/I][/B] whereas page 278 explains it and adds more details on how to rule on them. Your argument about you can "score a critical hit" and still miss is fundamentally flawed because of the very definition of Critical Hit on page 276. Instead, you should focus on why "score a critical hit" in plain language really means only "[B][I]potentially[/I][/B] score a critical hit." Arguments around that at least have some merit. You argument that a critical hit can be a miss is essentially that black is white, and thus cannot stand. Again, I point to the fact that page 276 states that there there are only two possible "Attack Results: "Hit and Miss." Critical Hit falls into the category of "Hit." Given that fact, how can a Critical Hit turn out to be a Miss? It's simply not possible and would indeed be akin to stating "black is white." [/QUOTE]

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