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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4926123" data-attributes="member: 65152">Also note that this would also override the natural 20 rules as well since you would now crit on a 20 as well.So...according to the other side of the fence Holy Ardor overrides the following rules without calling any of them out specifically simply by excluding the word &quot;can&quot;:1. Precision (Holy Ardor isn't an &quot;attack roll&quot; so Precision doesn't apply).2. Attack Resolution step 4 (compare attack roll to defenses) (Holy Ardor isn't an attack roll, but we can use it here anyway by claiming that crit = hit)3. Natural 20 rules.&nbsp; Why use natural 20 rules when you can crit and hit on double 20's?Did I miss any?Anything else you guys want to add to the list of exceptions?&nbsp; Does this not even make you raise your eyebrows as absurd?EDIT: Did it ever cross your minds that maybe, just maybe, Holy Ardor doesn't apply BECAUSE it isn't an attack roll as opposed to suggesting that because Holy Ardor isn't an attack roll that therefore it overrides all these rules?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 4926123, member: 65152"] Also note that this would also override the natural 20 rules as well since you would now crit on a 20 as well. So...according to the other side of the fence Holy Ardor overrides the following rules without calling any of them out specifically simply by excluding the word "can": 1. Precision (Holy Ardor isn't an "attack roll" so Precision doesn't apply). 2. Attack Resolution step 4 (compare attack roll to defenses) (Holy Ardor isn't an attack roll, but we can use it here anyway by claiming that crit = hit) 3. Natural 20 rules. Why use natural 20 rules when you can crit and hit on double 20's? Did I miss any? Anything else you guys want to add to the list of exceptions? Does this not even make you raise your eyebrows as absurd? EDIT: Did it ever cross your minds that maybe, just maybe, Holy Ardor doesn't apply BECAUSE it isn't an attack roll as opposed to suggesting that because Holy Ardor isn't an attack roll that therefore it overrides all these rules? [/QUOTE]

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