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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4926934" data-attributes="member: 71571">A situation accounted for by Precision, however.  So while it is new, it is not so new it requires new rules to encapsulate it.This has already been disproven.  The situation exists outside of Precision that you still miss.  Which means your hit is not guarnateed, which means it is not a contradiction of Precision, assuming the word 'can' is substantial.Which is proven to not be the case, either.The context of Precision is that it is a game rule within a list of game rules.  I don't understand how it is otherwise.  It's not redundant.  The previous statements tell you Natural 20s score critical hits, but if you'd miss, they do not and instead deal normal damage.  Precision is needed to tell you that if the range of critical hits is extended, the automatic hit range is not.That's pretty clear, and that language doesn't exist before then.  Without it, 'crit on 19-20' would overide -both- Critical Hit and Automatic Hit.Unfortunately, it is possible, it is proven possible, the example has been given, and it is irrational to suggest that it is otherwise.</blockquote>