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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 4927168" data-attributes="member: 65152">@Artoomis:  I have never disagreed that you can use Holy Ardor to grant you a critical hit.  My objection is two-fold.1.  If indeed Holy Ardor grants a hit then this is the first exception rule EVER that overrides a general rule by indirection --- meaning that you have to reference the attack results rules in order to prove that crit = hit.  This breaks the nature of specific vs. general override rules.  Also note that you have to reference the very rule you are overriding (attack results) which is unbelieveable.  To say that the attack results rules prove that you hit without ever following their instructions is silly.2.  The order of attack resolution (as outlined on p269) prevents you from invoking Holy Ardor until you already have a hit and are applying damage.  This is no different from feats such as Weapon Focus which require you to apply damage in order to use them.The critical hit rules appear on p278 and override the damage rules.  The blurb on p276 only says you might score a critical and then refers you to p278 where the actual list of requirements for a critical are listed as well as the detailed instructions on what happens when you get one.  I don't know what to say if you somehow think that the rules text on requirements and benefits are not what embodies a "definition".</blockquote>