I second the "Perform" variant. In addition, instead of the various stat based sex tricks, how about we handle it like the Intimidate skill, which can be used either with Str or Cha. Depending on the activity, a different stat can be used. For tantric sex, you use Wis, for crazy Kama Sutra positions, you use Dex, etc.
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VVrayven
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Heya boys. I'm new so be nice. I've been following (lurking 
at the other thread. I agree status conditions need revising. This is one of my suggestions. I'm not too good with 3e rules yet but this is what I've peiced together from the other guides and some stuff I think is a good idea. 
The Essentials
Note: All aroused penalties are cumulative from these status conditions.
Horny
Horny characters are mentally aroused and ready for sex. They suffer a -1 arousal penalty to all non-sensual attack rolls, skill checks and saves for 10 minutes (2 minutes if in inappropriate conditions, including combat), and twice this amount to saves against arousal, seduction and spells with the [Arousal] descriptor. Successful spell casting requires a Concentration check (DC 10 + spell level). A successful Spot or Sense Motive check will give away this condition in another person (DC 20 if male, DC 25 female). Characters can become Horny at will by their own discretion unless extenuating circumstances prevail, in which case they must make a <prowess check> against themselves.
Aroused
Aroused characters are physically aroused and ready for sex. Males must be in this state in order to perform coitus. They suffer a -1 arousal penalty to all non-sensual attack rolls, skill checks and saves for 10 minutes (2 minutes if in inappropriate conditions, including combat), and twice this amount to saves against arousal, seduction and spells with the [Arousal] descriptor. Successful spell casting requires a Concentration check (DC 10 + spell level). A successful Spot or Sense Motive check will give away this condition in another person (DC 20 if male, DC 25 female). Characters can become Aroused at will by their own discretion unless extenuating circumstances prevail, in which case they must make a <prowess check> against themselves. Any character that is receiving amorous attentions while Aroused, but is not Horny, must succeed a Will save (DC 15) every round or become Horny.
Peaked
Peaked characters are in a heightened state of arousal, needing just one more push to go over the brink. They require a Concentration check (DC 20) to do anything other than make <prowess> checks. Spell casting adds spell levels to this DC. Peaked characters are automatically Aroused and Horny. This obvious condition lasts 1 minute before residing to Aroused.
Climaxed
Climaxed characters are overcome by orgasm, and are considered Helpless whilst the condition lasts (usually one round). <One point of subdual damage is taken for each Hit Dice the character possesses.> A Concentration check (DC 40) allows action as if Aroused. Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 40 + spell level). After this period, male characters lose all arousal, and further checks against them for (10-Con mod) minutes suffer a -10 penalty. Female characters reside to Aroused.
The Optional
These conditions could be removed all together in favor of a certain sex trick, magic spell, or potion, though if all of these are going to be used, I recommend a neutral ground they can all build on, hence the status condition
Lustful
Lustful characters are more than just horny and ready for sex; they crave it. A Lustful character is automatically both Horny and Aroused and will often initiate seduction attempts of their own toward any semi-suitable partner they can find. Characters of evil and chaotic alignments may attempt to rape these objects of lust if their attentions are rebuffed. If no partner is present, lustful characters will often masturbate themselves. Lustful characters must succeed a Will save every minute to avoid fulfilling themselves. This condition lasts 5 minutes (1 minute in inappropriate circumstances), and the detection DC is 5 for males, 10 for females. The Horny and Aroused conditions last after the Lustful duration has expired. Lustful is not a normal condition and can only be evoked by very skilled sex arts, magic, or substances.
Over-stimulated
The character has gone beyond Peaked and is in sexual agony as they are a hair’s breadth away from release, but climax is teasingly withheld from them. While in this state, they require a Concentration check (DC 20) to do anything other than make Prowess checks, and they incur penalties as if Aroused and Horny even if the check succeeds. Over-stimulated characters will masturbate if no appropriate mate can be found, but all checks to self-pleasure themselves while in this state suffer a –20 penalty. Spell casting adds spell levels to this DC. An Over-stimulated character will agree to do almost anything to be allowed to achieve climax, and must make a Will save to resist agreeing to any such offers. The save’s DC equals 10 + the offering character’s Charisma modifiers. Finally, an Over-stimulated character must make a Will save every round (DC 18) or take 1 point of temporary Wisdom damage. This obvious condition lasts 1 minute and resides to Peaked. Should the Over-stimulated character’s Wisdom score fall below 3, they become Sexually Delirious.
Sexually Delirious
A character that reaches this stage is considered Helpless. The only action he or she is capable of is mindless sexual congress. The character will seek out the nearest partner (only radically differing sexual alignment issues will be rejected). If no partner is available, the character masturbates. Resisting this urge requires a Will save (DC 30) every round. Even if successful, all other actions require a Concentration check (DC 40). Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). A character in this state can be Climaxed, but always returns to this state. All subdual damage taken from orgasm is halved (round down, minimum 1 point) while Sexually Delirious. He or she is also suggestible as per the Hypnotize spell and loses all Will save bonuses until he or she gets 8 hours of complete rest. Sexually Delirious characters remain so until their Wisdom score rises to 3 (in which case they reside to Over-Stimulated), or they fall unconscious.
Unwilling
If a character does not wish sexual activity, they may consider themselves Unwilling. Unwilling characters may add their rape bonus (a bonus ranging from 1 to 20+ depending on the campaign setting) to all Fortitude and Will saves and all Concentration checks to resist sexual effects and activities. A character cannot try to simulate another person or make Prowess checks while in this state. Over-Stimulated and Sexually Delirious characters cannot be Unwilling. If a character is Unwilling and is brought to one of these conditions, they loose the Unwilling status and begin sexual activity of their own volition. If a character is in one of these conditions and is subject to some extreme act that might bring them to (being brutally stabbed, extreme pain, etc…) they may make a Will save (DC 25) using their rape bonus and any damage taken that round as a bonus to reside to Peaked and become Unwilling.
Why so intricate? I believe if you are going to use stauts conditions, you should USE them. Otherwise axe them from the system as a whole, IMHO.
I think the Prowess idea for sex tricks is a good idea. And I'm in favor of set DCs like the Hard Focus rules present. They might make you consult a chart, but you still have the option of an opposed roll and there is no math involved. I'll make a standard chart for the above if any wants (but I'm sure it will meet with harsh critics.) That's it for now. Hope I'm not butting in too much.
at the other thread. I agree status conditions need revising. This is one of my suggestions. I'm not too good with 3e rules yet but this is what I've peiced together from the other guides and some stuff I think is a good idea. The Essentials
Note: All aroused penalties are cumulative from these status conditions.
Horny
Horny characters are mentally aroused and ready for sex. They suffer a -1 arousal penalty to all non-sensual attack rolls, skill checks and saves for 10 minutes (2 minutes if in inappropriate conditions, including combat), and twice this amount to saves against arousal, seduction and spells with the [Arousal] descriptor. Successful spell casting requires a Concentration check (DC 10 + spell level). A successful Spot or Sense Motive check will give away this condition in another person (DC 20 if male, DC 25 female). Characters can become Horny at will by their own discretion unless extenuating circumstances prevail, in which case they must make a <prowess check> against themselves.
Aroused
Aroused characters are physically aroused and ready for sex. Males must be in this state in order to perform coitus. They suffer a -1 arousal penalty to all non-sensual attack rolls, skill checks and saves for 10 minutes (2 minutes if in inappropriate conditions, including combat), and twice this amount to saves against arousal, seduction and spells with the [Arousal] descriptor. Successful spell casting requires a Concentration check (DC 10 + spell level). A successful Spot or Sense Motive check will give away this condition in another person (DC 20 if male, DC 25 female). Characters can become Aroused at will by their own discretion unless extenuating circumstances prevail, in which case they must make a <prowess check> against themselves. Any character that is receiving amorous attentions while Aroused, but is not Horny, must succeed a Will save (DC 15) every round or become Horny.
Peaked
Peaked characters are in a heightened state of arousal, needing just one more push to go over the brink. They require a Concentration check (DC 20) to do anything other than make <prowess> checks. Spell casting adds spell levels to this DC. Peaked characters are automatically Aroused and Horny. This obvious condition lasts 1 minute before residing to Aroused.
Climaxed
Climaxed characters are overcome by orgasm, and are considered Helpless whilst the condition lasts (usually one round). <One point of subdual damage is taken for each Hit Dice the character possesses.> A Concentration check (DC 40) allows action as if Aroused. Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 40 + spell level). After this period, male characters lose all arousal, and further checks against them for (10-Con mod) minutes suffer a -10 penalty. Female characters reside to Aroused.
The Optional
These conditions could be removed all together in favor of a certain sex trick, magic spell, or potion, though if all of these are going to be used, I recommend a neutral ground they can all build on, hence the status condition
Lustful
Lustful characters are more than just horny and ready for sex; they crave it. A Lustful character is automatically both Horny and Aroused and will often initiate seduction attempts of their own toward any semi-suitable partner they can find. Characters of evil and chaotic alignments may attempt to rape these objects of lust if their attentions are rebuffed. If no partner is present, lustful characters will often masturbate themselves. Lustful characters must succeed a Will save every minute to avoid fulfilling themselves. This condition lasts 5 minutes (1 minute in inappropriate circumstances), and the detection DC is 5 for males, 10 for females. The Horny and Aroused conditions last after the Lustful duration has expired. Lustful is not a normal condition and can only be evoked by very skilled sex arts, magic, or substances.
Over-stimulated
The character has gone beyond Peaked and is in sexual agony as they are a hair’s breadth away from release, but climax is teasingly withheld from them. While in this state, they require a Concentration check (DC 20) to do anything other than make Prowess checks, and they incur penalties as if Aroused and Horny even if the check succeeds. Over-stimulated characters will masturbate if no appropriate mate can be found, but all checks to self-pleasure themselves while in this state suffer a –20 penalty. Spell casting adds spell levels to this DC. An Over-stimulated character will agree to do almost anything to be allowed to achieve climax, and must make a Will save to resist agreeing to any such offers. The save’s DC equals 10 + the offering character’s Charisma modifiers. Finally, an Over-stimulated character must make a Will save every round (DC 18) or take 1 point of temporary Wisdom damage. This obvious condition lasts 1 minute and resides to Peaked. Should the Over-stimulated character’s Wisdom score fall below 3, they become Sexually Delirious.
Sexually Delirious
A character that reaches this stage is considered Helpless. The only action he or she is capable of is mindless sexual congress. The character will seek out the nearest partner (only radically differing sexual alignment issues will be rejected). If no partner is available, the character masturbates. Resisting this urge requires a Will save (DC 30) every round. Even if successful, all other actions require a Concentration check (DC 40). Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). A character in this state can be Climaxed, but always returns to this state. All subdual damage taken from orgasm is halved (round down, minimum 1 point) while Sexually Delirious. He or she is also suggestible as per the Hypnotize spell and loses all Will save bonuses until he or she gets 8 hours of complete rest. Sexually Delirious characters remain so until their Wisdom score rises to 3 (in which case they reside to Over-Stimulated), or they fall unconscious.
Unwilling
If a character does not wish sexual activity, they may consider themselves Unwilling. Unwilling characters may add their rape bonus (a bonus ranging from 1 to 20+ depending on the campaign setting) to all Fortitude and Will saves and all Concentration checks to resist sexual effects and activities. A character cannot try to simulate another person or make Prowess checks while in this state. Over-Stimulated and Sexually Delirious characters cannot be Unwilling. If a character is Unwilling and is brought to one of these conditions, they loose the Unwilling status and begin sexual activity of their own volition. If a character is in one of these conditions and is subject to some extreme act that might bring them to (being brutally stabbed, extreme pain, etc…) they may make a Will save (DC 25) using their rape bonus and any damage taken that round as a bonus to reside to Peaked and become Unwilling.
Why so intricate? I believe if you are going to use stauts conditions, you should USE them. Otherwise axe them from the system as a whole, IMHO.
I think the Prowess idea for sex tricks is a good idea. And I'm in favor of set DCs like the Hard Focus rules present. They might make you consult a chart, but you still have the option of an opposed roll and there is no math involved. I'll make a standard chart for the above if any wants (but I'm sure it will meet with harsh critics.) That's it for now. Hope I'm not butting in too much.
You are definitely not butting in too much. The more people chime in, the better the finished product will be. I like your take on the states. One suggestion though: if you get a penalty to saves for [Arousal] type spells, how about increased caster level or save DC's on spells of that type you cast in that state? Sort of a "fueled by your own lust" kind of thing.
Death By Surfeit
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Some very good contributions, Vrayven. It's nice to know that we're not taking up the mantle alone! I think that your descriptions of the status conditions are extensive, applicable to all conditions and as concise as they could be - in short, I'm willing to run with them as they are. I look forward to anything else you can come up with!
Sorn, I'm glad you agree with the Prowess check, and the varying ability modifier introduces a nice element - we'd include guidelines for when each can be applied, and so on. With regards the bonus to arousal spellcasting, I reckon that should lie as a feat to take advantage of your arousal - indeed, I had written one up for the DbS conversion v1.1, and will post it here, along with its prerequisite:
COITAL CASTING (General)
Your physical arousal only improves your spellcasting abilities.
Prerequisites: Coital Concentration, 8 or more ranks in Prowess, 12 or more ranks in Concentration
Benefit: You may add your Arousal penalty as an arousal bonus to the DCs of all your sensual spells.
COITAL CONCENTRATION (General)
You remain focused even whilst physically aroused.
Prerequisites: Sensual spellcaster, 4 or more ranks in Prowess, 6 or more ranks in Concentration
Benefit: With a successful Will save (DC 15), you may ignore all penalties from Arousal for one round, including Concentration checks. Using this, you may even act normally whilst Climaxed.
Normal: Levels of Arousal infer penalties on skill checks, attack rolls and saves. Spells require Concentration checks to cast successfully. Characters are considered helpless whilst Climaxed.
Sensual spellcasting can be replaced with spells of the Arousal descriptor if we aren't partitioning spellcasting.
This leaves only the core arousal mechanic to be decided upon. I favour the hardcore rules from part 5 of the DbS conversion as a framework, but then again I'm just plain biased.
Keep up the good work!
Sorn, I'm glad you agree with the Prowess check, and the varying ability modifier introduces a nice element - we'd include guidelines for when each can be applied, and so on. With regards the bonus to arousal spellcasting, I reckon that should lie as a feat to take advantage of your arousal - indeed, I had written one up for the DbS conversion v1.1, and will post it here, along with its prerequisite:
COITAL CASTING (General)
Your physical arousal only improves your spellcasting abilities.
Prerequisites: Coital Concentration, 8 or more ranks in Prowess, 12 or more ranks in Concentration
Benefit: You may add your Arousal penalty as an arousal bonus to the DCs of all your sensual spells.
COITAL CONCENTRATION (General)
You remain focused even whilst physically aroused.
Prerequisites: Sensual spellcaster, 4 or more ranks in Prowess, 6 or more ranks in Concentration
Benefit: With a successful Will save (DC 15), you may ignore all penalties from Arousal for one round, including Concentration checks. Using this, you may even act normally whilst Climaxed.
Normal: Levels of Arousal infer penalties on skill checks, attack rolls and saves. Spells require Concentration checks to cast successfully. Characters are considered helpless whilst Climaxed.
Sensual spellcasting can be replaced with spells of the Arousal descriptor if we aren't partitioning spellcasting.
This leaves only the core arousal mechanic to be decided upon. I favour the hardcore rules from part 5 of the DbS conversion as a framework, but then again I'm just plain biased.
Keep up the good work!
VVrayven
First Post
In Reply: "One suggestion though: if you get a penalty to saves for [Arousal] type spells, how about increased caster level or save DC's on spells of that type you cast in that state? Sort of a "fueled by your own lust" kind of thing."
I like DbS's take on it.
In Reply: "Some very good contributions, Vrayven. It's nice to know that we're not taking up the mantle alone! I think that your descriptions of the status conditions are extensive, applicable to all conditions and as concise as they could be - in short, I'm willing to run with them as they are. I look forward to anything else you can come up with!"
:
: Why thank you. I appreciate the compliment and the encouragement. And in that case...
As far as the Arousal System goes, I'm in favor of something that mimics the Hard Focus rules. Whilst this might rely on a chart, it remains one of the most versatile methods to use, and when you get down to it, the chart isn't ever really used that much. (And many skills have a DC chart of their own, they just don't explcitly lay it out in chart format).
I think the mutli-stat Prowess check is an excellent idea. A couple of things that need to be addressed by the core mechanic for arousal:
1) Is masturbation simply a prowess check against the self? If so, shouldn't a character be able to try and please both himself and a partner (or mutliple partners?) in a round? If so, how? What mechanic and mutliple action resolution do we use?
2) How is prowess opposed? By an opposing skill check (ala two tantric masters trying to out do each other with intricate manipulations of the hands and such) or do we use a Fortitude or Will save (such as holding off the sensations metally or phyiscially).
3) We need modifiers and sygnery bonuses. What does profession (prostitute) do? Are their any other alternatives? Can an average person learn to be good at sex without that many levels? Can monseters be modifered (such as the succubus and others) to have this new skill and still keep some sembelance of balance?
All that being said, I have the DC chart for the status conditions I presented and one more that I think could be a good option that I forgot to tag on in my first post.
the other optional condition:
Ecstasy
Not all orgasms are equal and these are the best of them. A character in Ecstasy orgasms in a powerful climax or several times repeatedly. They are considered Helpless whilst the condition lasts (usually one round). Two points of subdual damage are taken for each Hit Dice the character possesses. A Concentration check (DC 50) allows action as if Aroused. Spellcasting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). They must also succeed a Will save (DC 22) or take 1 point of temporary Wisdom damage. After this period, male characters lose all arousal, and further checks against them for (10-Con mod) minutes suffer a -15 penalty. Female characters reside to Aroused.
The DC Chart:
Hr: Horny, Ar: Aroused, Pk: Peaked, Cx: Climaxed, Scores are for Male/Female
Current Condition: -- Ar Pk Cx
Target Condition: Ar 13/16 7/9 4/5 --
Pk 26/32 14/18 8/10 --
Cx 52/64 28/36 15/20 20/25
Horny: If your target (partner) is Horny, all DC's are reduced by 1.
These states can only be induced via a tantric art (sex trick).
Lustful: The DC is equal to the Peak DC plus 10.
Esctasy: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 5. They act on the chart as though Climaxed.
Over-Stimulated: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 10. They act on the chart as though Peaked.
Sexually-Delerious: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 20. They act on the chart as though Peaked.
On Addition to the Sexually Delerious Condition:
Sexually Delirious
A character that reaches this stage is considered Helpless. IF THE CHARACTER HAS A TEMPORARY WISDOM SCORE OF 3 OR HIGHER, IT IS INSTANTLY REDUCED TO 2 WHILE THIS CONDITION PERSISTS. The only action he or she is capable of is mindless sexual congress. The character will seek out the nearest partner (only radically differing sexual alignment issues will be rejected). If no partner is available, the character masturbates. Resisting this urge requires a Will save (DC 30) every round. Even if successful, all other actions require a Concentration check (DC 40). Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). A character in this state can be Climaxed, but always returns to this state. All subdual damage taken from orgasm is halved (round down, minimum 1 point) while Sexually Delirious. He or she is also suggestible as per the Hypnotize spell and loses all Will save bonuses until he or she gets 8 hours of complete rest. Sexually Delirious characters remain so until their Wisdom score rises to 3 (in which case they reside to Over-Stimulated), or they fall unconscious.
And just posting with some extrenious stuff:
From Shale's and the DbS Rules:
"Size Matters:"
Women can receive an object that is their own category without difficulty. (anything smaller is of course alright... It might not be pleasurable though) Larger that one category however will bring pain and eventually damage. Women also use the chart presented in the UCK, although theirs is a measure of basic flexibility and size. The scale is not relative to Orafice Stuffing. If a medium-sized woman can handle an object of large-size (via the Sex Trick) and she recieves a huge object, she is two steps surpassing her self, not one. At the DM's option a lesser-orafice recieving a greater-orafice of the same size can be considered a one category difference.
Three or more sizes smaller: Fruitless. No appreciable sensation of any kind.
Two sizes smaller: Pathetic. Both Prowess checks incur a -8 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -4.
One size smaller: Disappointing. Both Prowess checks incur a -4 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -2.
Half a size smaller: Weak. Both Prowess checks incur a -2 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -1.
Same size: No special rules.
1 steps larger: Causes 1 point of subdual damage and pain each round of sex. In addition, the female recives a +5 bonus to her arousal checks due to the pain.
2 steps larger: Causes 1 point of lethal damage and pain each round of sex. In addition, the female recives a +10 bonus to her arousal checks due to the pain. The owner of the organ also sustains 1 point of subdual damage a round due to the tightness and constiction.
3 steps larger: Causes 5 points of lethal damage and pain each round. In addition the reciever must make a Fortitude save each round with a cumulative -1 penalty per round or fall unconsious from the pain (this lasts until the abuse stops and 2d6 minutes thereafter).
4 steps larger: Causes 10 points of lethal damage and pain each round. In addition the reciever must make a Fortitude save each round with a cumulative -2 penalty per round or die from the internal injurgies. Females do not make arousal checks while being violated in this fashion. (If the DM is particularly sadistic, the checks should be at a minimum of +15). The owner of the organ also sustains 5 points of subdual damage a round due to the tightness and constiction.
5 steps larger or more: Kills the reciever instantly. Some DMs might allow the character a Fortitude save with a cumilative penalty to prevent the object from fully entering their orafice."
My only other comment at this point... Will the Status conditions match up with the spells? I'd be more than willing to lend a hand in helping them match up. Where is the current list of spells, by the way? If you want a hand of course.
I like DbS's take on it.
In Reply: "Some very good contributions, Vrayven. It's nice to know that we're not taking up the mantle alone! I think that your descriptions of the status conditions are extensive, applicable to all conditions and as concise as they could be - in short, I'm willing to run with them as they are. I look forward to anything else you can come up with!"
:
: Why thank you. I appreciate the compliment and the encouragement. And in that case...As far as the Arousal System goes, I'm in favor of something that mimics the Hard Focus rules. Whilst this might rely on a chart, it remains one of the most versatile methods to use, and when you get down to it, the chart isn't ever really used that much. (And many skills have a DC chart of their own, they just don't explcitly lay it out in chart format).
I think the mutli-stat Prowess check is an excellent idea.
A couple of things that need to be addressed by the core mechanic for arousal:1) Is masturbation simply a prowess check against the self? If so, shouldn't a character be able to try and please both himself and a partner (or mutliple partners?) in a round? If so, how? What mechanic and mutliple action resolution do we use?
2) How is prowess opposed? By an opposing skill check (ala two tantric masters trying to out do each other with intricate manipulations of the hands and such) or do we use a Fortitude or Will save (such as holding off the sensations metally or phyiscially).
3) We need modifiers and sygnery bonuses. What does profession (prostitute) do? Are their any other alternatives? Can an average person learn to be good at sex without that many levels? Can monseters be modifered (such as the succubus and others) to have this new skill and still keep some sembelance of balance?
All that being said, I have the DC chart for the status conditions I presented and one more that I think could be a good option that I forgot to tag on in my first post.
the other optional condition:
Ecstasy
Not all orgasms are equal and these are the best of them. A character in Ecstasy orgasms in a powerful climax or several times repeatedly. They are considered Helpless whilst the condition lasts (usually one round). Two points of subdual damage are taken for each Hit Dice the character possesses. A Concentration check (DC 50) allows action as if Aroused. Spellcasting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). They must also succeed a Will save (DC 22) or take 1 point of temporary Wisdom damage. After this period, male characters lose all arousal, and further checks against them for (10-Con mod) minutes suffer a -15 penalty. Female characters reside to Aroused.
The DC Chart:
Hr: Horny, Ar: Aroused, Pk: Peaked, Cx: Climaxed, Scores are for Male/Female
Current Condition: -- Ar Pk Cx
Target Condition: Ar 13/16 7/9 4/5 --
Pk 26/32 14/18 8/10 --
Cx 52/64 28/36 15/20 20/25
Horny: If your target (partner) is Horny, all DC's are reduced by 1.
These states can only be induced via a tantric art (sex trick).
Lustful: The DC is equal to the Peak DC plus 10.
Esctasy: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 5. They act on the chart as though Climaxed.
Over-Stimulated: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 10. They act on the chart as though Peaked.
Sexually-Delerious: The DC is equal to the Climax DC plus 20. They act on the chart as though Peaked.
On Addition to the Sexually Delerious Condition:
Sexually Delirious
A character that reaches this stage is considered Helpless. IF THE CHARACTER HAS A TEMPORARY WISDOM SCORE OF 3 OR HIGHER, IT IS INSTANTLY REDUCED TO 2 WHILE THIS CONDITION PERSISTS. The only action he or she is capable of is mindless sexual congress. The character will seek out the nearest partner (only radically differing sexual alignment issues will be rejected). If no partner is available, the character masturbates. Resisting this urge requires a Will save (DC 30) every round. Even if successful, all other actions require a Concentration check (DC 40). Spell casting is only an option with a Concentration check (DC 50 + spell level). A character in this state can be Climaxed, but always returns to this state. All subdual damage taken from orgasm is halved (round down, minimum 1 point) while Sexually Delirious. He or she is also suggestible as per the Hypnotize spell and loses all Will save bonuses until he or she gets 8 hours of complete rest. Sexually Delirious characters remain so until their Wisdom score rises to 3 (in which case they reside to Over-Stimulated), or they fall unconscious.
And just posting with some extrenious stuff:
From Shale's and the DbS Rules:
"Size Matters:"
Women can receive an object that is their own category without difficulty. (anything smaller is of course alright... It might not be pleasurable though) Larger that one category however will bring pain and eventually damage. Women also use the chart presented in the UCK, although theirs is a measure of basic flexibility and size. The scale is not relative to Orafice Stuffing. If a medium-sized woman can handle an object of large-size (via the Sex Trick) and she recieves a huge object, she is two steps surpassing her self, not one. At the DM's option a lesser-orafice recieving a greater-orafice of the same size can be considered a one category difference.
Three or more sizes smaller: Fruitless. No appreciable sensation of any kind.
Two sizes smaller: Pathetic. Both Prowess checks incur a -8 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -4.
One size smaller: Disappointing. Both Prowess checks incur a -4 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -2.
Half a size smaller: Weak. Both Prowess checks incur a -2 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -1.
Same size: No special rules.
1 steps larger: Causes 1 point of subdual damage and pain each round of sex. In addition, the female recives a +5 bonus to her arousal checks due to the pain.
2 steps larger: Causes 1 point of lethal damage and pain each round of sex. In addition, the female recives a +10 bonus to her arousal checks due to the pain. The owner of the organ also sustains 1 point of subdual damage a round due to the tightness and constiction.
3 steps larger: Causes 5 points of lethal damage and pain each round. In addition the reciever must make a Fortitude save each round with a cumulative -1 penalty per round or fall unconsious from the pain (this lasts until the abuse stops and 2d6 minutes thereafter).
4 steps larger: Causes 10 points of lethal damage and pain each round. In addition the reciever must make a Fortitude save each round with a cumulative -2 penalty per round or die from the internal injurgies. Females do not make arousal checks while being violated in this fashion. (If the DM is particularly sadistic, the checks should be at a minimum of +15). The owner of the organ also sustains 5 points of subdual damage a round due to the tightness and constiction.
5 steps larger or more: Kills the reciever instantly. Some DMs might allow the character a Fortitude save with a cumilative penalty to prevent the object from fully entering their orafice."
My only other comment at this point... Will the Status conditions match up with the spells? I'd be more than willing to lend a hand in helping them match up. Where is the current list of spells, by the way? If you want a hand of course.
Death By Surfeit
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(Sorry for the late post. Personal lives are such an encumbrance...)
Again Vrayven, thankyou for your input. Fresh input is always appreciated, and that applies to the countless lurkers watching this thread. You know who you are!
With regards your comments:
1) Masturbation and multiple partners: I think that masturbation is essentially an Arousal check performed on oneself, yes. It seems appropriate to allow only one Prowess check in a round, unless you're willing to accept a cumulative or staggering penalty... the DbS allowed people to make a Knowledge (Sexuality) check to negate the penalty (harder DCs when acting on more than two at once?), alongside making judgements about a person's sexual nature. Would we adopt this stance? It seems sensible to boost your performance and divine a person's sexual nature by mundane means as well as magical, and I'm for the supplication of the skill to the Guide.
2) Hmm. The DbS conversion allowed an optional Fortitude save to anyone who wished to negate an Arousal check upon them - delaying and so forth. The DC was variable - the check result of the Prowess check. Thus someone who wished to stimulate an uncooperative partner had to not only face down the Arousal DC but also a resisted check each time. Is this an appropriate approach?
3) I'm unsure about Profession (prostitute) - perhaps it ran the administrative side of things - getting a pimp, knowig the ins and outs (so to speak) of the business, faking it and so on. This would avoid any conflict with Prowess, and bring it into line with other Profession skills. Perhaps we should just eschew it altogether?
With regards synergy bonuses, could we do it in an open-ended manner? As with the variable key attribute, should you have 5 or more ranks you think is appropriate for the situation in hand (Use Rope for bondage, Ride for more athletic sex, etc), you get a +2 synergy modifer (non-cumulative)? Again speaking as the creator of the DbS, we had them as a 'kink' modifier that only worked if your partner shared the kink - otherwise you took very heavy penalties (-10 penalty?). Perhaps this is the right way of going about it?
Can a low-level person get very good at sexual activity without acquiring too many levels? Well, can he get very good at handling animals, jumping etc etc? Within the constraints of the system, yes (eg maxing out ranks, skill focus feats and so on). However to break this rule would go outside the D&D convention.
The Ecstatic condition - a good idea, and a nice trump card for higher-level sexual characters to pull. Maybe it should be integrated into the current progression on the chart, making it double the DC for Climaxed at each level?
I think, though, that the chart is designed to show physical arousal, and thus Horny, Lustful or Sexually Delirious should not be attainable by these ends.
The modified Size Matters rules could likewise do with a little tweaking here and there. You didn't include a 'half a size category larger' level, which represents a phallus 337.5% its original size - at the very least, a whole size category larger should be doing physical damage no matter what. In proportion, the human penis is a Fine-sized object - at three size categories larger alone, you are describing a phallus the size of a child brought upon a human; an extraordinary feat in all but the least feasible (and stomachable) hentai movies. It may be almost shamelessly plagiarised, but I'd recommend the below:
* * *
Three or more sizes smaller: Fruitless. No appreciable sensation of any kind.
Two sizes smaller: Pathetic. Both Prowess checks incur a -8 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -4.
One size smaller: Disappointing. Both Prowess checks incur a -4 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -2.
Half a size smaller: Weak. Both Prowess checks incur a -2 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -1.
Same size: No special rules.
Half a size larger: Chunky. Both Prowess checks gain a +2 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of subdual damage each turn, unless they can succeed at a Fortitude save (DC 10): work affairs out hard-focus in case of incurring unconsciousness (!).
One size larger: Dangerous. Both Prowess checks gain a +4 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of subdual damage for each Hit Dice they possess each turn. A successful Fortitude save (DC: 10 + partner’s HD) reduces this to just one point per turn. Apply hard-focus rules, as unconsciousness is likely.
Two sizes larger: Lethal. Both Prowess checks gain a +8 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of actual damage for each Hit Dice they possess each turn. A successful Fortitude save (DC: 15 + partner’s HD) reduces this to subdual damage. Use hard focus rules: affairs are likely to be very brief.
Three or more sizes larger: All pain, no gain. Concerted attempts simply incur damage as if two sizes larger: see above.
Where the phallus is a whole size category larger or more, the owner of said organ receives damage one degree less than the recipient due to tightness and constriction (an owner of a phallus two size categories larger would take damage as if he was receiving one one size category larger, for example).
Note: All subdual or actual damage sustained in a round is deducted as a pain modifier from the Prowess check, unless the recipient is a masochist, in which case it is added as a bonus instead. This makes larger-size phalluses less useful in many circumstances.
* * *
As a final point, the desire to match the mechanics with the spells was a crucial role in the editing. Your offer of help is greatly appreciated, but we'd probably do best to figure out the mechanics beforehand.
Thanks everyone, keep them ideas coming,
DbS
Again Vrayven, thankyou for your input. Fresh input is always appreciated, and that applies to the countless lurkers watching this thread. You know who you are!
With regards your comments:
1) Masturbation and multiple partners: I think that masturbation is essentially an Arousal check performed on oneself, yes. It seems appropriate to allow only one Prowess check in a round, unless you're willing to accept a cumulative or staggering penalty... the DbS allowed people to make a Knowledge (Sexuality) check to negate the penalty (harder DCs when acting on more than two at once?), alongside making judgements about a person's sexual nature. Would we adopt this stance? It seems sensible to boost your performance and divine a person's sexual nature by mundane means as well as magical, and I'm for the supplication of the skill to the Guide.
2) Hmm. The DbS conversion allowed an optional Fortitude save to anyone who wished to negate an Arousal check upon them - delaying and so forth. The DC was variable - the check result of the Prowess check. Thus someone who wished to stimulate an uncooperative partner had to not only face down the Arousal DC but also a resisted check each time. Is this an appropriate approach?
3) I'm unsure about Profession (prostitute) - perhaps it ran the administrative side of things - getting a pimp, knowig the ins and outs (so to speak) of the business, faking it and so on. This would avoid any conflict with Prowess, and bring it into line with other Profession skills. Perhaps we should just eschew it altogether?
With regards synergy bonuses, could we do it in an open-ended manner? As with the variable key attribute, should you have 5 or more ranks you think is appropriate for the situation in hand (Use Rope for bondage, Ride for more athletic sex, etc), you get a +2 synergy modifer (non-cumulative)? Again speaking as the creator of the DbS, we had them as a 'kink' modifier that only worked if your partner shared the kink - otherwise you took very heavy penalties (-10 penalty?). Perhaps this is the right way of going about it?
Can a low-level person get very good at sexual activity without acquiring too many levels? Well, can he get very good at handling animals, jumping etc etc? Within the constraints of the system, yes (eg maxing out ranks, skill focus feats and so on). However to break this rule would go outside the D&D convention.
The Ecstatic condition - a good idea, and a nice trump card for higher-level sexual characters to pull. Maybe it should be integrated into the current progression on the chart, making it double the DC for Climaxed at each level?
I think, though, that the chart is designed to show physical arousal, and thus Horny, Lustful or Sexually Delirious should not be attainable by these ends.
The modified Size Matters rules could likewise do with a little tweaking here and there. You didn't include a 'half a size category larger' level, which represents a phallus 337.5% its original size - at the very least, a whole size category larger should be doing physical damage no matter what. In proportion, the human penis is a Fine-sized object - at three size categories larger alone, you are describing a phallus the size of a child brought upon a human; an extraordinary feat in all but the least feasible (and stomachable) hentai movies. It may be almost shamelessly plagiarised, but I'd recommend the below:
* * *
Three or more sizes smaller: Fruitless. No appreciable sensation of any kind.
Two sizes smaller: Pathetic. Both Prowess checks incur a -8 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -4.
One size smaller: Disappointing. Both Prowess checks incur a -4 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -2.
Half a size smaller: Weak. Both Prowess checks incur a -2 size penalty. Where penetration is just one element of intercourse (eg. open-ended Prowess check), this penalty is reduced to -1.
Same size: No special rules.
Half a size larger: Chunky. Both Prowess checks gain a +2 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of subdual damage each turn, unless they can succeed at a Fortitude save (DC 10): work affairs out hard-focus in case of incurring unconsciousness (!).
One size larger: Dangerous. Both Prowess checks gain a +4 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of subdual damage for each Hit Dice they possess each turn. A successful Fortitude save (DC: 10 + partner’s HD) reduces this to just one point per turn. Apply hard-focus rules, as unconsciousness is likely.
Two sizes larger: Lethal. Both Prowess checks gain a +8 size bonus. The recipient incurs 1 point of actual damage for each Hit Dice they possess each turn. A successful Fortitude save (DC: 15 + partner’s HD) reduces this to subdual damage. Use hard focus rules: affairs are likely to be very brief.
Three or more sizes larger: All pain, no gain. Concerted attempts simply incur damage as if two sizes larger: see above.
Where the phallus is a whole size category larger or more, the owner of said organ receives damage one degree less than the recipient due to tightness and constriction (an owner of a phallus two size categories larger would take damage as if he was receiving one one size category larger, for example).
Note: All subdual or actual damage sustained in a round is deducted as a pain modifier from the Prowess check, unless the recipient is a masochist, in which case it is added as a bonus instead. This makes larger-size phalluses less useful in many circumstances.
* * *
As a final point, the desire to match the mechanics with the spells was a crucial role in the editing. Your offer of help is greatly appreciated, but we'd probably do best to figure out the mechanics beforehand.
Thanks everyone, keep them ideas coming,
DbS
VVrayven
First Post
I can relate and understand completly.
Point 1) I'm in agreement with Masturbation rules. I think there should be a way to try to partners at once. At this point... I'm thinking all rolls should be penalized by a single modifier (say -4 to -8 range for 2 partners?)
This brings up another point. The whole "sex system" is abstracted much the same way that combat is, right? We can't assume intercourse (or any other act for that matter) WILL be used in any given "round" of sex. The DCs on the chart assume the act of "taking 20" with normal people. This results with about 6-8 minutes of sex (which in my experience with an 'average' guy can be about right). But the consequence of the abstraction is that it becomes really difficult assinging modifiers to specific acts...
Point 2) I agree with your idea. I think a Fortitude (as opposed to will) is the appropriate way to go. Combined with the "Unwilling" status condition, I think it works even better. Perhaps a feat can allow you to use your Will save?
Point 3) Again. I like your solution.
With regard to syngery bonuses... Mmmm... Perhaps you offer a +2 bonus for every relatvant "kink" that the two share. You'd have to define the acts being done in the round though. This is where the abstraction hurts us... But, then again, we want to keep everything simple. I think these should stack, but I also think a penalty should be used for unsure partners.
Very well. I do agree. I think perhaps the "mental" status conditions should be able to be evoked with a feat maybe? As such, how about the following Chart?
--------------Target-->---Ars-------Peak-----Clxm---------Escty
Current
None---------------------13/16----26/32----52/64------104/128
Ars-------------------------7/9------14/18----28/36--------56/72
Peak-----------------------4/5------8/10-----15/20--------30/40
Clxm--------------------------------------------30/25--------40/35
Escty-------------------------------------------30/25--------50/45
What do you think?
I agree. I was just throwing the idea up for discussion. I agree with your suggestions for the chart and think that they are all good ideas.
I agree. So let's crack that Core Mechanic! I'm for the 'Hard Focus' take and for the variable ability score use. We need a good setup to allow for a bunch of modifiers and a way to deal with the abstraction problem.
As I get them. You will hear them.
Wow, much input!
Overall I liket the conditions, though arousal and horny are not that much different.
Taking subdual damage, when climaxing seemed a good idea at first to me, but the subdual damage goes away far to slowly. three orgasms and most characters will be out cold. for quite some time.
There once was in one posting in this board, a profession (prostitute), giving, as far as I remember, a synergy bonus to bluff (seduction) and sense motive. Rope Use etc. should not be synergized by this skill, because they are specialities of different kinds of prostitute (e.g. profession (dominatrix)), which gives a whole new list of old feats with new uses (professions: prostitute, dominatrix, pimp, courtesan (synergy to knowledge (courtly lore), inuendo), escort etc.)
doing sexual prowess like perform and intimidate seems rather good.
One danger, that creeps in at the moment, is, that we "could use a feat" for some speciality or the other. Characters do not have that many feats and if they want to take a feat regarding sex, they will probably not take a feat changing the save from fortitude to will or something similar. It is nice to have lots of feats in the guide, but we can leave the ones out, no one will take anyway. Maby someting like that could be done as a sex-trick.
After following all this for more than a year, I would recommend, that we decide rather quickly on the basics now. The conditions need but a little tweaking, thanks to VVrayven. When they are done, the basic system has to be decided on. Afterwards the sex-tricks. Spells and PrCs afterwards.
PLEASE!
Overall I liket the conditions, though arousal and horny are not that much different.
Taking subdual damage, when climaxing seemed a good idea at first to me, but the subdual damage goes away far to slowly. three orgasms and most characters will be out cold. for quite some time.
There once was in one posting in this board, a profession (prostitute), giving, as far as I remember, a synergy bonus to bluff (seduction) and sense motive. Rope Use etc. should not be synergized by this skill, because they are specialities of different kinds of prostitute (e.g. profession (dominatrix)), which gives a whole new list of old feats with new uses (professions: prostitute, dominatrix, pimp, courtesan (synergy to knowledge (courtly lore), inuendo), escort etc.)
doing sexual prowess like perform and intimidate seems rather good.
One danger, that creeps in at the moment, is, that we "could use a feat" for some speciality or the other. Characters do not have that many feats and if they want to take a feat regarding sex, they will probably not take a feat changing the save from fortitude to will or something similar. It is nice to have lots of feats in the guide, but we can leave the ones out, no one will take anyway. Maby someting like that could be done as a sex-trick.
After following all this for more than a year, I would recommend, that we decide rather quickly on the basics now. The conditions need but a little tweaking, thanks to VVrayven. When they are done, the basic system has to be decided on. Afterwards the sex-tricks. Spells and PrCs afterwards.
PLEASE!
VVrayven
First Post
Thanks, Kolvar.
I have thought this as well. I just thought the two needed to be seperate and stackable. Any fixes, anyone?
I too have seen this as an issue. The same goes for subdual magic casting systems... Perhaps we should cap it at a specific ammount? Or... we could introduce a sexual fatigue system? I have an old one written up that I was using prior to this (care to see?). Also, I'd like to point out that I believe whatever system we use it should be based on a variable (perhaps CON, perhaps not). I know men that can go several times in an hour, and I know women that can go up to twenty+ in half that time. Then again, I know women that can only go once and then that's it. It should also be pointed out that the conditions were an abstraction. Climax doesn't mean 1 orgasm. It means 6 seconds of climax, which might mean different things to different people.
Point taken. And I agree. But, we can mush several together. Maybe a big feat allows several sex tricks to be taken. Perhaps class abilites can also grant these.
Yea! :claps:
By the way, have we completly removed the sexual advantages and disadvantages, phobias, kinks, and such? If so, how do we incorporate them when needed?
I have thought this as well. I just thought the two needed to be seperate and stackable. Any fixes, anyone?
I too have seen this as an issue. The same goes for subdual magic casting systems... Perhaps we should cap it at a specific ammount? Or... we could introduce a sexual fatigue system? I have an old one written up that I was using prior to this (care to see?). Also, I'd like to point out that I believe whatever system we use it should be based on a variable (perhaps CON, perhaps not). I know men that can go several times in an hour, and I know women that can go up to twenty+ in half that time. Then again, I know women that can only go once and then that's it. It should also be pointed out that the conditions were an abstraction. Climax doesn't mean 1 orgasm. It means 6 seconds of climax, which might mean different things to different people.
Point taken. And I agree. But, we can mush several together. Maybe a big feat allows several sex tricks to be taken. Perhaps class abilites can also grant these.
Yea! :claps:
By the way, have we completly removed the sexual advantages and disadvantages, phobias, kinks, and such? If so, how do we incorporate them when needed?
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