[Adult] Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, thread 2

A bit of an idea

Considering the work I did on the Savage Plains, it might work out better to split it (perhaps with another region or two) off into entirely separate demiplanes linked directly TO Eros. Off-hand I think the Recondite home plane might deserve that treatment.
 

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Fox Lee, Lily, these ideas are great - Especially the gender "on all levels" thing. On the other hand, what would actually happen to the masculine women and feminine men? Would their gender actually change, or would they just get more butch/froo-froo?

Lily, I give you leave to do whatever you want with the Savage Plains. I have dibs on the Recondite Void, tho.
 

I was thinking that in those "Exceptional" cases the changes might be slower, but the end result would be an eventual gender-shift, at which point the effects are more normal. Probably somewhat faster in the case of the feminine males, because they aren't as likely to put up a fight
 

Hi everyone . . . my friend Lily told me about this thread, and encouraged me to post something I came up with on my free time, so here you go. Maybe you'll find this to be useful or thought-provoking or something. :) As I have yet to play a full game in 3E rules, the actual mechanics here might need a little revising.

Hulberry

The Hulberry (also known as the Fuddleberry or Virgin's Bane) is a unique plant that contains a natural aphrodesiac. Thought to have been created by a wizard many years ago, it apparently escaped by cross-pollinating with wild blueberries and now grows in mountainous regions throughout the land. Hulberries resemble blueberries in size and shape, though they are a rich red color that deepens as they become ripe. They have a pleasantly tart flavor and may be used in jellies, juices, pies and other desserts.

Eaten raw, the berries make it easier for a character to become Aroused. The effect is similar to a poison, with an onset period of approximately one hour after ingestion. Instead of taking damage, however, the affected character receives a penalty to their Will save for purposes of resisting arousal checks. The effect is generally mild, -2 or so per "dose" (roughly one handful).

Hulberry Wine: This potent drink, favored by the elves, combines the effects of hulberries with those of alcohol. Thus, anyone drinking hulberry wine will start to become aroused at the same time they begin to lose their inhibitions. Overindulging in Hulberry Wine is not advised unless one is not easily embarrassed.

Due to the increased potency of Hulberry wine, affected characters receive a -3 to their will save for the purpose of resisting arousal checks. Furthermore, the wine itself forces an arousal check every few minutes (more often as the character drinks more) and characters are also faced with the consequences of being drunk as per d20 rules.

There you go. Comments and the like are welcome, of course.


-- Spoffy
 

Nice

Good job, Spoffy. ^_^ Praise to thee. It's a nice piece of work - A little naughty while not being truly offensive. I love the nickname - "Virgin's Bane." That's funny. :)

Anyhoo, I've completed the Passionate class. You can see it on the main House Rules board.
 


Anabstercorian said:
Fox Lee, Lily, these ideas are great - Especially the gender "on all levels" thing. On the other hand, what would actually happen to the masculine women and feminine men? Would their gender actually change, or would they just get more butch/froo-froo?

Oooh, excellent! I hadn't even thought of a straight-out gender shift - that could be incredibly fun! *wicked laughter*
 

Hee hee

Yeah, I thought it could be interesting. I'm taking advantage of the board-dump to rework the Passionate a bit. I think it'll come together QUITE nicely. I'm trying to give it a bit more flavor.
 

Here it is! Enjoy.

The Passionate

"Some people think that pleasure is magic. They are fools. They take the most wonderful thing in the world and corrupt it in to a lesser state. We know better. Pleasure is a power unlike any other, and we are its masters."

The Passionate (always written with a capital P) are a loose organization of sexual cabalists who gain power from sexual contact directly, without using it to power sexual rituals or calling on the gods of pleasure. They tap directly in to the nascent power of the Elemental Plane of Eros, and can, through this power, become living emblems of the ideal of passion. They move faster, harder, and stronger. Their beauty is unmatched. Their touch can change someone forever. They are the warriors of love, passion, and lust.
The Passionate are divided in to four cults, each worshipping, and drawing power from, a different Incarna. In this manner, they are not dissimilar to Clerics. The Passionate gain slightly different powers depending on which Incarna they worship, and must undergo slightly different initiation rites to gain the favor of the Incarna. Despite this, all four cults of Passionate stick together, willingly (and frequently) having sexual contact with each other in order to fuel their abilities. Together, the Passionate are an imposing force, but alone they are vulnerable. Because of this, when traveling they frequent the company of like minded individuals, preferably powerful ones.
As an organization, the Passionate are generally concerned only with themselves. When they do become involved in a political situation, it is generally to undo some act that they believe to be an affront to their Incarna. Whenever a law dictates arranged marriage, the followers of Love will be there. Whenever young lovers turn away from their desire in fear of the consequences, the followers of Desire will be there. Whenever sex is deemed a sin outright, the followers of Lust will be there. Whenever the perverse or depraved deny their own minds for the fear of cruel punishment, the followers of Perversion will be there. They can't change the world overnight, but that doesn't stop them from trying.

Prerequisites
Sexual Prowess: 8 ranks
Feats: Skill Focus (Sexual Prowess), Endurance
Alignment: Any Chaotic
Sex Tricks: Adaptive Lover (Any), Easy to Read, Intuitive Lover, Species Focus (Any)
Special: Must have visited the Elemental Plane of Eros and coupled with a Lust Elemental while there. It is highly recommended that this requirement not be waived under any circumstances.
Special: If a follower of Lust, the aspiring Passionate must take part in an orgy lasting at least a full day with other Passionates who follow Lust. If a follower of Desire, the aspiring Passionate must seduce and make love to a complete stranger twice in one day. If a follower of Love, the aspiring Passionate must hook up at least two couples, and those couples must truly fall in love. If a follower of Perversion, the aspiring Passionate must have at least two distinct sexual perversions.

Class Features:
Hit Die: d8
Base Attack Bonus: As Cleric
Saving Throws: As Bard
Class Skills, Skill Points: As Monk + Sexual Prowess

Class Abilities by Level:
1st: Sex is Power, Sex Appeal, Passionate Heart
2nd: Heartwatch, Sensual Touch
3rd: Seductive Grace
4th: Eros Strike
5th: Stunning Beauty
6th: Touch of the Passionate
7th: Strength of Passion
8th: Uncontrollable Passion
9th: Pounding Heart
10th: Proxy of the Incarna, Eyes of the Passionate

Sex is Power (Ex): A Passionate requires near-constant sexual contact in order to fuel their powers. In order to use the abilities of any given level of Passionate, he must have had sexual contact a number of times within the last 24 hours at least equal to the level of Passionate that the ability is acquired at. For example, to gain Sex Appeal as a virtual feat, an ability acquired at 1st level, a Passionate must have had sexual contact at least once in the last 24 hours. If they go 24 hours without sexual contact, they lose the ability until they once more have sexual contact.
This restriction is in place because of how the Passionate fuels his abilities. Upon completing sexual contact, the Passionate's partner becomes, in essence, a gateway to the Elemental Plane of Eros, pouring energy in to the passionate. Because of this, if the Passionate's partner is slain, petrified, or on another plane of existence from the Passionate, then they are no longer considered to have had sexual contact with the passionate. For example, if a Passionate has sex three times, gaining the ability Seductive Grace, and then one of his partners is killed, he immediately loses that ability, retaining only his second level abilities until he once more has sexual contact.

Sex Appeal (Su): At 1st level, a Passionate gains Sex Appeal as a virtual feat. If he actually has the feat Sex Appeal, the bonuses gained from that feat are doubled. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Passionate Heart (Su): A Passionate gains a Competetence bonus to all sexual prowess checks equal to twice their Passionate level. Their reputation for being sexual dynamos is easily true. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Heartwatch (Su): At 2nd level, a Passionate gains the ability to see a lifeforms sexual aura (or lackthereof) and its details. A Passionate can acertain the sexual orientation, sexual desire, and all other relavent details of a creature's sexuality as a move equivalent action. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Sensual Touch (Su): At 2nd level, a Passionate gains the ability to helplessly daze an opponent with his caress at will. As a standard action, he may make a melee touch attack that affects his target as the Daze cantrip unless they succeed at a Will save (DC 12 + Cha modifier.) This is a mind affecting effect. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Seductive Grace (Su): At 3rd level, a Passionate's body is infused with small levels of pure erotic energy, giving them unnaturally beautiful grace and a remarkably flexible anatomy. They gain a +2 bonus to Dexterity and a +4 Competence bonus to Tumble, Escape Artist, Balance, and physical Perform checks. Additionally, they gain Dexterous Lover as a bonus sex trick. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Eros Strike (Su): At 4th level, a Passionate learns to channel his erotic energy in to a dangerously potent form. As a standard action once per hour, he can make a melee touch attack to slap a foe with his hand, sending a surge of eros energy through their bodies. The target must make a Will save DC 12 + Cha mod or fall unconscious for 2d4 hours, during which they remain in a state of erotic dream. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Stunning Beauty (Su): At 5th level, a Passionate's beauty becomes so overwhelming that it can leave mortals breathless with awe. All targets within 30 feet of the Passionate who look directly at him are Stunned for 1 round unless they succeed at a Will save (DC 12 + Cha modifier.) Targets of this ability, whether they make their save or not, are immune to it for one day thereafter. If the Passionate has the Sex Appeal feat, the duration of the Stunning affect is doubled. This is a mind affecting effect. This power cannot be deactivated, but the Passionate can prevent others from seeing him using a heavy cloak or other highly modest garment. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Touch of the Passionate (Su): At 6th level, a Passionate is blessed by their patron Incarna, gaining the ability to permanently change those whom they make love to in to forms more pleasing to their masters. This ability can be suppressed or reactivated by the Passionate at will, and is activated by having sexual contact (as defined previously) with the target. Will save DC 12 + Cha mod to resist. All alterations last 2d4 days. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.
Love: The target is filled with love, becoming one step less hostile towards all characters (Indifferent to Friendly, Friendly to Helpful.) Player characters are encouraged to role play this effect but suffer no other consequences.
Desire: The target immediately acquires the Sex Appeal feat if they didn't have it already.
Lust: The target immediately becomes cabable of being physically attracted to all genders and species, even ones wildly different from their own species.
Perversion: The target immediately acquires a random sexual perversion, chosen at random by either the random perversion table, the DM, or the relevent player.

Strength of Passion (Su): At 7th level, the erotic energy filling the body of the Passionate increases, allowing them to not only move faster, but with greater power and strength. They gain a +2 bonus to Strength and a +4 competence bonus to Jump, Climb, and Swim checks. Additionally, they gain Powerful Lover as a bonus sex trick. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Uncontrollable Passion (Su): At 8th level, it becomes unclear whether the Passionate uses his passion or his passion uses him. Whenever the Passionate hasn't had sexual contact a number of times at least equal to twice his Passionate level within the last 36 hours, he must immediately make a Will save (DC 20) or go in to a sexual frenzy, doing everything possible within the constraints of his alignment to have sexual contact until he no longer hasn't had sexual contact a number of times at least equal to twice his Passionate level within the last 36 hours.
On the bright side, he can inflict this same desperate passion on others with a gaze attack, igniting his eyes with erotic power. Once per day he can activate a gaze attack for two rounds. This gaze attack causes the victim to enter a sexual frenzy, as above, for 2d3 hours. Will save DC 20 + Cha mod to resist. This is a mind-affecting ability. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability, but the Passionate's own addiction is inescapable.

Pounding Heart (Su): At 9th level, a Passionate becomes completely infused with erotic energy. Even his metabolism is primarily powered by erotic power. At 9th level, a Passionate no longer needs to eat, and can hold his breath for five times as long as normal, although this gives him no special protection against crushing depths of water or the depths of space. Additionally, he gains a +2 bonus to Constitution as long as he's had sexual contact in the last hour. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Proxy of the Incarna (Su): At 10th level, a Passionate becomes a Proxy for his patron Incarna, gaining the authority to command other Passionate and act as a representative of his Patron. Additionally, the effects of the Passionate's Touch of the Passionate ability are now permanent. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability, but the status of Proxy is not.

Eyes of the Passionate (Su): At 10th level, a Passionate gains a potent gaze attack that he can activate and deactivate at will. This gaze attack exactly duplicates the effects of Touch of the Passionate, except that it is not rendered permanent by Proxy of the Incarna. It has a range of 30 feet. This power is usually accompanied by eyes that glow in a constantly shifting spectrum, but this can be suppressed by the Passionate should he so choose.
 

Nice idea, but....

There are some real problems with it in a "normal" campaign

Sex is Power (Ex): A Passionate requires near-constant sexual contact in order to fuel their powers. In order to use the abilities of any given level of Passionate, he must have had sexual contact a number of times within the last 24 hours at least equal to the level of Passionate that the ability is acquired at. For example, to gain Sex Appeal as a virtual feat, an ability acquired at 1st level, a Passionate must have had sexual contact at least once in the last 24 hours. If they go 24 hours without sexual contact, they lose the ability until they once more have sexual contact.
This restriction is in place because of how the Passionate fuels his abilities. Upon completing sexual contact, the Passionate's partner becomes, in essence, a gateway to the Elemental Plane of Eros, pouring energy in to the passionate. Because of this, if the Passionate's partner is slain, petrified, or on another plane of existence from the Passionate, then they are no longer considered to have had sexual contact with the passionate. For example, if a Passionate has sex three times, gaining the ability Seductive Grace, and then one of his partners is killed, he immediately loses that ability, retaining only his second level abilities until he once more has sexual contact.


This means that a 10th level Passionate needs to find and have sex with ten people EVERY DAY to maintain their abilities. Think about that for a second. Out in the wilderness, with no more than four or five companions.....This gets even worse later. I'd recommend allowing someone to function as one contact per every four levels of the character.

Sex Appeal (Su): At 1st level, a Passionate gains Sex Appeal as a virtual feat. If he actually has the feat Sex Appeal, the bonuses gained from that feat are doubled. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

No problems here

Passionate Heart (Su): A Passionate gains a Competetence bonus to all sexual prowess checks equal to twice their Passionate level. Their reputation for being sexual dynamos is easily true. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

I'll wait until we have the sex rules finalized to pass judgement. Might be too powerful.

Heartwatch (Su): At 2nd level, a Passionate gains the ability to see a lifeforms sexual aura (or lackthereof) and its details. A Passionate can acertain the sexual orientation, sexual desire, and all other relavent details of a creature's sexuality as a move equivalent action. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Sensual Touch (Su): At 2nd level, a Passionate gains the ability to helplessly daze an opponent with his caress at will. As a standard action, he may make a melee touch attack that affects his target as the Daze cantrip unless they succeed at a Will save (DC 12 + Cha modifier.) This is a mind affecting effect. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Good.

Seductive Grace (Su): At 3rd level, a Passionate's body is infused with small levels of pure erotic energy, giving them unnaturally beautiful grace and a remarkably flexible anatomy. They gain a +2 bonus to Dexterity and a +4 Competence bonus to Tumble, Escape Artist, Balance, and physical Perform checks. Additionally, they gain Dexterous Lover as a bonus sex trick. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Erm.....wow. +5 to two combat-based skills and another extremely useful one as an 8th level character. I'd make the skill bonus a +2 also.

Eros Strike (Su): At 4th level, a Passionate learns to channel his erotic energy in to a dangerously potent form. As a standard action once per hour, he can make a melee touch attack to slap a foe with his hand, sending a surge of eros energy through their bodies. The target must make a Will save DC 12 + Cha mod or fall unconscious for 2d4 hours, during which they remain in a state of erotic dream. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Again....wow. The DC might not be great, but this is still pretty powerful. Probably not TOO much though. If you reversed this with the previous one I'd consider it balanced enough/

Stunning Beauty (Su): At 5th level, a Passionate's beauty becomes so overwhelming that it can leave mortals breathless with awe. All targets within 30 feet of the Passionate who look directly at him are Stunned for 1 round unless they succeed at a Will save (DC 12 + Cha modifier.) Targets of this ability, whether they make their save or not, are immune to it for one day thereafter. If the Passionate has the Sex Appeal feat, the duration of the Stunning affect is doubled. This is a mind affecting effect. This power cannot be deactivated, but the Passionate can prevent others from seeing him using a heavy cloak or other highly modest garment. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Another sucker that makes this man highly impractical as an adventuring companion. Moreover, it means that groups of Passionate simply cannot exist for a long time, as they would be constantly stunning each other every once in awhile., even with their high Will saves.

Touch of the Passionate (Su): At 6th level, a Passionate is blessed by their patron Incarna, gaining the ability to permanently change those whom they make love to in to forms more pleasing to their masters. This ability can be suppressed or reactivated by the Passionate at will, and is activated by having sexual contact (as defined previously) with the target. Will save DC 12 + Cha mod to resist. All alterations last 2d4 days. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.
Love: The target is filled with love, becoming one step less hostile towards all characters (Indifferent to Friendly, Friendly to Helpful.) Player characters are encouraged to role play this effect but suffer no other consequences.
Desire: The target immediately acquires the Sex Appeal feat if they didn't have it already.
Lust: The target immediately becomes cabable of being physically attracted to all genders and species, even ones wildly different from their own species.
Perversion: The target immediately acquires a random sexual perversion, chosen at random by either the random perversion table, the DM, or the relevent player.


This eeems okay.

Strength of Passion (Su): At 7th level, the erotic energy filling the body of the Passionate increases, allowing them to not only move faster, but with greater power and strength. They gain a +2 bonus to Strength and a +4 competence bonus to Jump, Climb, and Swim checks. Additionally, they gain Powerful Lover as a bonus sex trick. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

Erm....no. Just NO. I'd strongly consider just putting something else here, or in with the Dex bonus one above.

Uncontrollable Passion (Su): At 8th level, it becomes unclear whether the Passionate uses his passion or his passion uses him. Whenever the Passionate hasn't had sexual contact a number of times at least equal to twice his Passionate level within the last 36 hours, he must immediately make a Will save (DC 20) or go in to a sexual frenzy, doing everything possible within the constraints of his alignment to have sexual contact until he no longer hasn't had sexual contact a number of times at least equal to twice his Passionate level within the last 36 hours.
On the bright side, he can inflict this same desperate passion on others with a gaze attack, igniting his eyes with erotic power. Once per day he can activate a gaze attack for two rounds. This gaze attack causes the victim to enter a sexual frenzy, as above, for 2d3 hours. Will save DC 20 + Cha mod to resist. This is a mind-affecting ability. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability, but the Passionate's own addiction is inescapable.


All right, let's take our theoretical adventuing party above. Two weeks out, and he's managed to get his companions tired of having sex every day. Now what? He goes berserk and either rapes the entire party or simply leaves to find more assistance elsewhere. I just don't think you're going to convince ANYONE to do this.

Pounding Heart (Su): At 9th level, a Passionate becomes completely infused with erotic energy. Even his metabolism is primarily powered by erotic power. At 9th level, a Passionate no longer needs to eat, and can hold his breath for five times as long as normal, although this gives him no special protection against crushing depths of water or the depths of space. Additionally, he gains a +2 bonus to Constitution as long as he's had sexual contact in the last hour. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability.

ANOTHER stat bonus?

Proxy of the Incarna (Su): At 10th level, a Passionate becomes a Proxy for his patron Incarna, gaining the authority to command other Passionate and act as a representative of his Patron. Additionally, the effects of the Passionate's Touch of the Passionate ability are now permanent. This ability is limited by Sex is Power like any other Passionate ability, but the status of Proxy is not.

Permanent mental alteration to characters? Better work in a way to undo this.

Eyes of the Passionate (Su): At 10th level, a Passionate gains a potent gaze attack that he can activate and deactivate at will. This gaze attack exactly duplicates the effects of Touch of the Passionate, except that it is not rendered permanent by Proxy of the Incarna. It has a range of 30 feet. This power is usually accompanied by eyes that glow in a constantly shifting spectrum, but this can be suppressed by the Passionate should he so choose.

Erk.


Honestly, I admire the idea and think it's interesting, but having a requirement to permanently fuel a character's powers and having such drastic consequences for NOT fulfilling those requirements just seems to be completely unworkable. I don't think you're going to be able to get around the problems, and I've seen you trying already.

It might be time to scrap the entire class and start over from the beginning.
 
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