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<blockquote data-quote="Neurotic" data-source="post: 5504321" data-attributes="member: 24380">You know, KarinsDad, I never considered you like this. You would always stick to the rules (and I guess you still are). Restored my faith in you as mature gamer. In 4e there is a tendency (esp. in PbP where waiting for the roll can be few days) to roll first and describe the effect later.Sorry to see you go, [MENTION=82643]CaBaNa[/MENTION], but it is better that way if you don't enjoy the game. We'll manage.[sblock=One story from waaay back]A friend was making a speech in front of a large audience (in-game). In real life, we thought he will just roll performance or diplomacy (3E). No, he got up and really made a speech. Good one. We all felt it. Then promptly rolled 1 on his dice. with modifier +8 +4 from aids, and even +4 circumstance DM assigned from good speech didn't amount to DC 20 and DM overruled our protests of not making the crowd raise up against tiranny...(that was what we were trying to do <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )We overuled him then. First and last time I saw the group literally ignore DM and continue the game <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neurotic, post: 5504321, member: 24380"] You know, KarinsDad, I never considered you like this. You would always stick to the rules (and I guess you still are). Restored my faith in you as mature gamer. In 4e there is a tendency (esp. in PbP where waiting for the roll can be few days) to roll first and describe the effect later. Sorry to see you go, [MENTION=82643]CaBaNa[/MENTION], but it is better that way if you don't enjoy the game. We'll manage. [sblock=One story from waaay back] A friend was making a speech in front of a large audience (in-game). In real life, we thought he will just roll performance or diplomacy (3E). No, he got up and really made a speech. Good one. We all felt it. Then promptly rolled 1 on his dice. with modifier +8 +4 from aids, and even +4 circumstance DM assigned from good speech didn't amount to DC 20 and DM overruled our protests of not making the crowd raise up against tiranny...(that was what we were trying to do :) ) We overuled him then. First and last time I saw the group literally ignore DM and continue the game :) [/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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