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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 5130813" data-attributes="member: 64945">[sblock=Surprise Round, Stealth, Ice]Ok, just to get this straight.There is no surprise round, right?  Since the enemies are taking a turn.  We are now in initiative, and all taking a full set of actions.  Is that correct?Since we're moving in initiative, the regular stealth rules are in effect.  Which pretty much means, stealth is useless, because there is no cover once we move in line with the tunnel.  It's pretty much time to charge in.But with the ice being so bad, it seems unlikely that anyone will actually be able to make it across the ice in one round.  I say that without knowing what the countermeasure is or what the attack roll for the ice is... so maybe with good rolls Kane can make it across.  But it seems virtually impossible that we could all make it across.  It also seems like trying to get the hostage back out across that same ice is not going to happen.  So probably what we want is for Kane to try to make it over, while the ranged characters do their best to support him without going into the ice at all.  Except possibly Hergunna, as a pseudo-melee, should try to follow Kane, but maybe she should wait one round first?  Anyway, whoever makes it over the ice just tries to protect the hostage on that side as much as possible, and the others try to move up as the situation allows for it.[/sblock]</blockquote>