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<blockquote data-quote="David Argall" data-source="post: 223963" data-attributes="member: 4481">different newbie&quot;The new person really wants to play in my campaign and I like him, and he is trying to persuade me to accept a 1/2 orc barbarian/ranger/druid. 1) Druids and Barbarians are not class options&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Here and elsewhere, you might want to reconsider your rules, not especially because the newbie wants to violate them, but because they are not all that good.&nbsp; Neither class comes close to being unbalancing.&nbsp; Now you may have set this empire up as super civilizied and lacking a location for druids or barbarians, but this is a poor design.&nbsp; &quot;2) Mutliclassing beyond 2 classes is not allowed,&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; It is likely nothing for you to discourage.&nbsp; The jack of all trades is a master of none.&nbsp; If he is content to be the party 2nd string, it is no problem for you or the others.&nbsp;&quot;3) Orcs are pretty much killed on the spot.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; A bad policy in any case.&nbsp; &amp; frankly it does not fit your picutre of a cut off empire. &quot;4) I want to maintain the integrity of my campaign and campaign world.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; Of course, but there is no great virtue to maintaining integrity when it just gets in everybody's way.&nbsp; If you had rashly let 1st levels get hold of +10 swords of sharpness, integrity calls for keeping them.&nbsp; Common sense calls for throwing them out of the game.&nbsp; integrity is only a lesser value.&quot;5) I want him to enjoy gaming with our group.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; Much more important, and since what he wants seems reasonable, it is likely best to give it to him.&quot;I could suggest to him a human or an elven ranger/cleric &quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; A ranger implies both barbarians and druids.&nbsp; Again, keeping the limitation seems out of place.&quot; I will not allow new players access to classes and abilities that I didn't allow the &quot;orginals&quot; in the first place.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; This amounts to saying &quot;because I have screwed people in the past, I must continue to do so.&quot;&nbsp; If a rule is bad, get rid of it.&nbsp; The player who got hurt last time at least now will not get hurt again.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sounds to me like you should do what he wants.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="David Argall, post: 223963, member: 4481"] [b]different newbie[/b] "The new person really wants to play in my campaign and I like him, and he is trying to persuade me to accept a 1/2 orc barbarian/ranger/druid. 1) Druids and Barbarians are not class options" Here and elsewhere, you might want to reconsider your rules, not especially because the newbie wants to violate them, but because they are not all that good. Neither class comes close to being unbalancing. Now you may have set this empire up as super civilizied and lacking a location for druids or barbarians, but this is a poor design. "2) Mutliclassing beyond 2 classes is not allowed," It is likely nothing for you to discourage. The jack of all trades is a master of none. If he is content to be the party 2nd string, it is no problem for you or the others. "3) Orcs are pretty much killed on the spot." A bad policy in any case. & frankly it does not fit your picutre of a cut off empire. "4) I want to maintain the integrity of my campaign and campaign world." Of course, but there is no great virtue to maintaining integrity when it just gets in everybody's way. If you had rashly let 1st levels get hold of +10 swords of sharpness, integrity calls for keeping them. Common sense calls for throwing them out of the game. integrity is only a lesser value. "5) I want him to enjoy gaming with our group." Much more important, and since what he wants seems reasonable, it is likely best to give it to him. "I could suggest to him a human or an elven ranger/cleric " A ranger implies both barbarians and druids. Again, keeping the limitation seems out of place. " I will not allow new players access to classes and abilities that I didn't allow the "orginals" in the first place." This amounts to saying "because I have screwed people in the past, I must continue to do so." If a rule is bad, get rid of it. The player who got hurt last time at least now will not get hurt again. Sounds to me like you should do what he wants. [/QUOTE]

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