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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7308668" data-attributes="member: 97077">However much the story up to this point and the established characterizations so far reasonably justify the actions of Harry, all that really matters in my view is whether Derek's player is going to enjoy having his or her character killed by another player's character. The goals of play in D&amp;D 5e - how you &quot;win&quot; in D&amp;D - is everyone having a good time and creating an exciting, memorable story by playing. If Derek isn't happy with this outcome, then the group will fail to achieve the goals of play. The group &quot;loses&quot; D&amp;D.Further, the campaign setting is presumably filled with villains and monsters seeking to do harm to the PCs or things they care about. They are controlled by the DM who doesn't really care whether the PCs kill and steal from them (or at least, the DM shouldn't). This includes Tiamat, who is more of an existential threat to Harry and the things he cares about than, I assume, Derek. And still Harry's player wants to take out Derek? This is a big red flag for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7308668, member: 97077"] However much the story up to this point and the established characterizations so far reasonably justify the actions of Harry, all that really matters in my view is whether Derek's player is going to enjoy having his or her character killed by another player's character. The goals of play in D&D 5e - how you "win" in D&D - is everyone having a good time and creating an exciting, memorable story by playing. If Derek isn't happy with this outcome, then the group will fail to achieve the goals of play. The group "loses" D&D. Further, the campaign setting is presumably filled with villains and monsters seeking to do harm to the PCs or things they care about. They are controlled by the DM who doesn't really care whether the PCs kill and steal from them (or at least, the DM [I]shouldn't[/I]). This includes [I]Tiamat[/I], who is more of an existential threat to Harry and the things he cares about than, I assume, Derek. And [I]still[/I] Harry's player wants to take out Derek? This is a big red flag for me. [/QUOTE]

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