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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7309327" data-attributes="member: 6919838">I agree that PVP action is not always a player-v-player problem which is why i said &quot;this&quot; not &quot;this is always&quot; in the above. It seems pretty clear that in this case PVP pre-discussion has not been followed as per the DMG page 235. It also does not seem that both players have collborated in this case on how great the story-telling here will be, judging by the whole private chats with GM thing.As for the somewhat rosy view expressed in the bold, if that is how things have worked for you thats great. For me, if i were planning a surprise assault on an unprepared PC, i would have little problem making it as much a squash as i wanted even with them getting to narrate away my first attack. its just a matter of timing and choices. One attack being wiped away in DND 5e for a prepared attacker is close to nothing given you know its the first attack that gets whiffed. now of course, knowing thems the rules, its entirely possible none of the players ever let their characters get so far down around their teammates that they cannot survive such as circumstance. that would seem prudent. No sense risking a big draining combat with enemies if it just sets you up for a quick whacking by your allies.Somehow the &quot;don't have to outrun the zombie...&quot; joke comes to mind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7309327, member: 6919838"] I agree that PVP action is not always a player-v-player problem which is why i said "this" not "this is always" in the above. It seems pretty clear that in this case PVP pre-discussion has not been followed as per the DMG page 235. It also does not seem that both players have collborated in this case on how great the story-telling here will be, judging by the whole private chats with GM thing. As for the somewhat rosy view expressed in the bold, if that is how things have worked for you thats great. For me, if i were planning a surprise assault on an unprepared PC, i would have little problem making it as much a squash as i wanted even with them getting to narrate away my first attack. its just a matter of timing and choices. One attack being wiped away in DND 5e for a prepared attacker is close to nothing given you know its the first attack that gets whiffed. now of course, knowing thems the rules, its entirely possible none of the players ever let their characters get so far down around their teammates that they cannot survive such as circumstance. that would seem prudent. No sense risking a big draining combat with enemies if it just sets you up for a quick whacking by your allies. Somehow the "don't have to outrun the zombie..." joke comes to mind. [/QUOTE]

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