Aeon (updated 10/9/14)

[tleilaxu]

nice! i look forward to fumaril pt. 3

Eadric's brother Orm has a Flame accompanying him? A manifestation of Oronthon's attention and Will being directed towards something That should worry Soneillon more than it does I think...

everyone with saint other similar templates have them provided by flames, so it isn't that uncommon. tahl has a flame (which resurrects him when he dies) etc etc. at least that has been my understanding.

 

[Rary the Traitor]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still a huge fan of yours, but this latest entry was mostly incomprehensible and nearly incoherent.

 

[Rackhir]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still a huge fan of yours, but this latest entry was mostly incomprehensible and nearly incoherent.

Sounds like someone hasn't been doing their meditation on Saizhan.

 

[grodog]

Sep: I can see why this one took awhile to write! Thanks for sharing, as always

 

[Quartz]

When did the title get changed?

 

[Baron Opal]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still a huge fan of yours, but this latest entry was mostly incomprehensible and nearly incoherent.

Okay, let me see if I have this right...

There are three significant areas; Shuth (South), Wyre (East), Nizkur (West).
Fumaril is closer to Shuth than the others.

The Chesnite Immortals are from Shuth.
Our heroes are from Wyre.
Nahael is residing in Nizkur.

As Nahael has been released by a proxy of Oronthon, she is free to join up with Jovol / Teppu and they kick-start the Viridity.

The Chesnites march north to spank Wyre for their temerity in removing Grazzt as well as recognizing their potential threat for the future.

The Adversary, perhaps seeing It's theological eschaton actually coming, jumps ship and remanifests as Hummanz. As a Dionysian entity bound to a different theology / philosophy it escapes the fortold Oronthionist end.

The Chesnites kick booty, and demonstrate the ability to call up frightful beings of annialation.

The Wyrish heroes can kick booty as well, and demonstrate the utility of falling bolides against extra-cosmic horrors.

The Chesnites, having their concerns turn to fears, call up some demon lords and a god. The god picks one of the Immortals as her champion (Visuit) and gives her a boost.

Visuit throws Eadric and Nwm around like ragdolls. Mostin leaps into his tower to clean his robes. Ortwine escapes with the bodies.

The Wyrish heroes regroup, say "Damn! Need a better plan!". They plot.

Various personages (Ortwine, Shomei, Sonellion) attempt to deal with scions of the Tree in Nizkur. It has now spread throught the known planes with different manifestations. It is noted that the Tree is weak in Dream.

Well, it is a tree, after all.

The Wyrish heroes have their plan. As they get ready to use everything they have to hammer Visuit into the ground like a tent peg, the rules change.

The Claviger says "no Cthonics on my plane!" Casarach back-slaps the Calviger and says "except me, and don't make me come over there."

Casarach's ... fellow cthonic (?) ... Chesne could not be reached for comment.

The Tree says "any Outsiders coming to or leaving my plane have to join my side!" The huge numbers of demons already on the plane are discomfited. The angels don't like it either. The Claviger pouts.

Mostin notices that Far Realm entities have a way around this. As Nahael asks for restraint, Mostin laments being to busy to abuse the privilege.

The Wyrish heroes decide to initiate Operation Tent-Peg regardless, since nobody probably knows what the real meaning of all of these extra-planar, theological, philosophical permutations really are. But, the Chesnites don't like it one bit, so the Wyrish are happy to adapt.

Dreamtime still seems to be a back-door to reality. But, Teppu is there, so we're okay.

 

[Salthorae]

I think that about sums it up as I understand it too Baron Opal... mind boogling

 

[ajanders]

Okay, let me see if I have this right...

There are three significant areas; Shuth (South), Wyre (East), Nizkur (West).
Fumaril is closer to Shuth than the others.

I think Nizkur is a separate plane, an alternate Prime (?) with a heavy Green bent. Nehael and Nwm travel/manifest between the two using Tree.
(I think Tree is an aspect of Green.)

Rary. Sep's game has transcended D&D for a while now: I know stats exist for most of these things, but I don't think they really matter. This is no longer a D&D game: it's a theological/ontological debate. With swords. Just treat it like Pilgrim's Progress -- and you may want to read the last episode.

 

[Cheiromancer]

Well, the heart of the story is about whether a succubus can repent. Can a creature of pure evil freely and voluntarily change her ways? Ultimately, the story is about how far can a person can change. How they can become what they choose to be.

The angels of Oronthon's heaven are not really individuals. They are submissive to the objective moral reality of Oronthon's will to such an extent that they are truly and literally self-less.

The Adversary understands what could be- thus, he grasps something that is not. He tries to realize one such possibility; what is not becomes, through intellect and will, something that is. But in rejecting what is, he has also lost his own nature; the Adversary is nameless. Many, many angels follow the Adversary in rebellion. They fall; they gain their individuality, but do great violence to their own natures.

Some of these fallen angels reject the trade-off. They reject both the submissive attitude of the celestial host, and the self-creation of the Adversary's followers. Perhaps they reject any system that requires such a trade-off; why should Hell be a consequence of individuality? They revolt against creation itself. These are the demons; the twice-fallen.

The polar opposite of Oronthon appears in the paradigm; annihilation itself, not a thing among other things, but something that is striven for, something which is reflected among the fallen, and especially the twice-fallen. Thought and language struggles to express this reification of non-being, but perhaps it is enough to say "Nothing Becomes."

The other meaning, of course, is that all is simultaneous and actual, fully real, in the mind of Oronthon. Change is illusion; it is not the case that anything becomes. That's the other meaning of "Nothing Becomes."

Which is primary and most fundamental; being, or non-being? Light or darkness? This is fundamentally the quarrel between Oronthonian and Chesnite. The Oronthonian will say that in the beginning there was light; the Chesnite says that the light appeared in darkness, and so is posterior to it and dependent upon it.

But there is another complication; the Green. Neither stasis nor destruction, but the cycles of becoming. Nehael does not convert within the Oronthonian paradigm, nor yet the Chesnite. A druid converts her. She steps outside the paradigm. What is the Green? What is its extent? What is there that is not natural? Even in our own time one might reject the difference between natural and artificial by observing that humans are also part of nature; anything we do, therefore, is natural. The new paradigm is opaque to the Adversary; to grasp it, he must embrace it, and, losing his self, regain a name. Hell follows in his wake. The Trees manifest fully.

Orthodox Oronthonian theology cannot embrace the Green. It is rejected as paganism. Heretics see the Green as the feminine aspect of Oronthon. In the era of saizhan, where heresy is impossible, who can say? To the Chesnite, the Green is the "Cloud of False Wisdom." The feminine aspect of the Abominable Light that is Oronthon. Under the guidance of the Sela, Oronthonianism begins to expand. But can their opposites do the same? Can a Chesnite embrace Saizhan?

Wizardly magic is yet another complication. Integral to it is the notion of limitation. Political involvement is forbidden to wizards, and this limitation enables scholarship to to prosper and magic to flourish. Yet the temptation to meddle in the political order is irresistible; this changes the limitations under which magic operates. With the advent of the Claviger new restrictions came into being, and with it a (rather dark) Golden age of magic. It is not for nothing that the binding of demons is the quintessentially wizardly act. I have no idea what the new paradigm of wizardly magic consists in, but I suspect that at its heart is limitation. Something forbidden, but irresistible. And I suspect the forbidden element is related to what is Outside. The insane; what cannot be, as opposed to what is or what is not.

The Green can include the Oronthonian/Chesnite dialectic. But not, I think, the madness that is Outside. Can Dream? I am not sure. At some level of thesis/antithesis/synthesis it seems as if the self is lost, and the question of how a succubus - how anyone- can choose against its own nature, is unasked.

 

[Shieldhaven]

I, for one, very much appreciate the re-stating of ideas and conflicts by Baron Opal and Cheiromancer. This is tough stuff, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'm also thrilled to see a new update!

Haven