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<blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6105104" data-attributes="member: 6678119"><p>Assuming the reading of "a domain spell is one cast from a domain slot" then what would happen to a character that had access to the domain spells but didn't have domain slots? For example, if a Favored Soul took a level in Ordained Champion, he would get access to all the War domain spells as per the Bonus Domain text, though they would still be used in normal slots because they're added to the class's spell list. Let's say the character chooses Power Word: Blind as one of the spells and can cast it however he sees fit. Is that spell now considered a domain spell? After all, it is from the War domain and not normally available to anyone but a sorc/wiz or a character with the War domain. Clearly the character is getting it from the domain since he can't cast sorc/wiz spells. And if it technically doesn't count as a domain spell because it's used in a non-domain slot, is it reasonable to leave it like that?</p><p></p><p>I guess we should look at the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm" target="_blank">cleric</a> rules:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That last line is of particular note. The cleric can only prepare domain spells that don't appear on the cleric list if they're done in the domain slots. Very straightforward of course. That raises the implication though that the character can prepare domain spells that are on the cleric's list in normal slots. Would it seem they're still domain spells even if not prepared in a domain slot? They are, after all, on the character's domain list.</p><p></p><p>Basically, RAI may be worthwhile, but one also needs to remember that what WotC intended isn't how the game turned out. A good choice for the game is going to be a good choice for the game, regardless of whether it's RAW, RAI, or whatever else.</p><p></p><p>Let's take a look at the implications of both empowering and maximizing spells from the Healing domain for free though. At 3rd level there's Cure Serious Wounds which is 3d8 +15 max. This competes with such spells as Fireball, which goes up to 10d6. 3d8 + 15 averages to 28.5 while 10d6 averages to 35. So it's definitely behind on a single target much less the multiple Fireball is capable of. Maximizing it makes it simply 24+15=39, so only 4 points ahead of the average single target fireball. Empowering it, assuming the +15 can't be multiplied since it's not a variable effect (dice roll), means it's doing 35.25 average damage now. Empowering + maximizing means it does an average of 59.25 damage. That's as a touch spell meaning you need an attack roll, and against a single target. On a single target it might have Fireball beat (keep in mind it's a touch spell and targets a better save for most creatures), but against even two or more Fireball is definitely going to win. In short, that's an excellent trade to make equal level spells sufficiently different to be different spells, so it doesn't seem at all overpowering to let at least that spell from the Healing domain be spontaneously cast as empowered and maximized. Heck, that fact actually makes it look worthwhile to cast such spells in the first place! So, as I mentioned earlier, while it might not have been their intent to let the caster spontaneously do that kind of thing, the empowered + maximized Healing domain spells are certainly not overpowered and should be totally okay for you to work with, even spontaneously. You're almost equaling a Sorcerer with that kind of damage, and since a Radiant Servant of Pelor is supposed to be specialized in going up against undead in the first place, it is completely fitting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jackinthegreen, post: 6105104, member: 6678119"] Assuming the reading of "a domain spell is one cast from a domain slot" then what would happen to a character that had access to the domain spells but didn't have domain slots? For example, if a Favored Soul took a level in Ordained Champion, he would get access to all the War domain spells as per the Bonus Domain text, though they would still be used in normal slots because they're added to the class's spell list. Let's say the character chooses Power Word: Blind as one of the spells and can cast it however he sees fit. Is that spell now considered a domain spell? After all, it is from the War domain and not normally available to anyone but a sorc/wiz or a character with the War domain. Clearly the character is getting it from the domain since he can't cast sorc/wiz spells. And if it technically doesn't count as a domain spell because it's used in a non-domain slot, is it reasonable to leave it like that? I guess we should look at the [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm]cleric[/url] rules: That last line is of particular note. The cleric can only prepare domain spells that don't appear on the cleric list if they're done in the domain slots. Very straightforward of course. That raises the implication though that the character can prepare domain spells that are on the cleric's list in normal slots. Would it seem they're still domain spells even if not prepared in a domain slot? They are, after all, on the character's domain list. Basically, RAI may be worthwhile, but one also needs to remember that what WotC intended isn't how the game turned out. A good choice for the game is going to be a good choice for the game, regardless of whether it's RAW, RAI, or whatever else. Let's take a look at the implications of both empowering and maximizing spells from the Healing domain for free though. At 3rd level there's Cure Serious Wounds which is 3d8 +15 max. This competes with such spells as Fireball, which goes up to 10d6. 3d8 + 15 averages to 28.5 while 10d6 averages to 35. So it's definitely behind on a single target much less the multiple Fireball is capable of. Maximizing it makes it simply 24+15=39, so only 4 points ahead of the average single target fireball. Empowering it, assuming the +15 can't be multiplied since it's not a variable effect (dice roll), means it's doing 35.25 average damage now. Empowering + maximizing means it does an average of 59.25 damage. That's as a touch spell meaning you need an attack roll, and against a single target. On a single target it might have Fireball beat (keep in mind it's a touch spell and targets a better save for most creatures), but against even two or more Fireball is definitely going to win. In short, that's an excellent trade to make equal level spells sufficiently different to be different spells, so it doesn't seem at all overpowering to let at least that spell from the Healing domain be spontaneously cast as empowered and maximized. Heck, that fact actually makes it look worthwhile to cast such spells in the first place! So, as I mentioned earlier, while it might not have been their intent to let the caster spontaneously do that kind of thing, the empowered + maximized Healing domain spells are certainly not overpowered and should be totally okay for you to work with, even spontaneously. You're almost equaling a Sorcerer with that kind of damage, and since a Radiant Servant of Pelor is supposed to be specialized in going up against undead in the first place, it is completely fitting. [/QUOTE]
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