Afghanistan d20?

[Bloodstone de Troll]

Grrr

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You know, while I agree it is too SOON for this, I guess I don't see the inherent problem...

We (as a country) play WW2 flight sims about the war in the pacific, despite the events at Pearl Harbor...

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It seems to me that the inherent problem is that it isnt something that HAS happened(like the above examples), but something that IS happening. There are still US soldiers out there (and will be so for some time) dealing with the situation, RIGHT NOW! Making sport of the conflict at all is in bad taste, and at this time irresponsible.

The reality of these conflicts (all of them) should never be disregarded. Making them into games seems to help seperate them from the "real" category in society. This is not necessarily a bad thing, in that it helps folks "deal" with the horrors of war by focussing on its accomplishments (fighting nazis should be considered a heroic thing), while also possibly keeping the details of the war (as in history) in the publics memory. A daunting task to say the least.

Making a game out of an existing, and potentially escelating conflict is in poor taste BECAUSE it dissassociates the player with the REAL aspects of war. Most notably concern for very real US soldiers (game soldiers always seem to die quickly and neatly-a rare thing in war) or mercy for surrendering foes ( tragically easy exps to many players). And you know that some folks out their are going to want to play taliban troops, a thought I find revolting (but its only a game right?).

P.S. Did you all know that in Japan they dont even teach about their bombing of Pearl Harbor? Perhaps our keeping of historical conflicts in pop culture may even be necessary.

 

[bolen]

Is that true? The Japanesse dont teach about pearl habor? How do they explain the US entering the war?

 

[Lord_AO]

Although (some) people might diagree with making a game of a war going on right now, it is a thing people have done for over centuries, maybe even since we humans excist.

In WW1 and WW2 people made small puzzle games (very popular then) about bombing germany etc. In earlier times scripts and plays where written as well as rediculous paintings being made. We all tend to laugh in times of troubles, make problem rediculous and make our opponent an 'untermensch'.

Look at ActionHero, having made Comando Bush and Sissy Osama.

'There's absolutly no logic
in human behaviour'
Bjork

 

[King_Stannis]

i find nothing wrong with the product, other than - as someone mentioned, it's title is a bit blah. when i run a spycraft campaign, if fully intend the war on terror to be the centerpiece.

 

[Ranger REG]

At least Spycraft and the folks who publish it (AEG) does not highlight or focus on the war against terror or this past tragic event as its marketing scheme. It's a generic ultramodern superspy game.

Personally, I leave it up to the gamers to decide their own local campaign.

 

[bolen]

Read a newspaper if you want to include "Realism". The problem in a "game" of Bush's "war on terrorism". Is that it oversimplifies the problem. Not every one in Afghanistan is a terrorist. And there is a good reason why people hate the US. It gives the impression that the issues are "black and white" While I realize some Americans belive this. The real world is much more ambiguous.

I would encourage the publishers of this game to think about this and not to publish such over simplistic

Also to make money on the blood shed at the WTC is immoral.

I saw the ActionHero Comando Bush and Sissy Osama dolls and these are in poor taste, so your point is if one company has poor taste then others should follow in their footsteps.

 

[Ranger REG]

Actually based on past information, the game is based on the war between the Northern Alliance (the good guys and PC choice) and the Taliban. Although I suspect you could play one of those US < air quotes > "advisors."

 

[King_Stannis]

Read a newspaper if you want to include "Realism". The problem in a "game" of Bush's "war on terrorism". Is that it oversimplifies the problem. Not every one in Afghanistan is a terrorist. And there is a good reason why people hate the US. It gives the impression that the issues are "black and white" While I realize some Americans belive this. The real world is much more ambiguous.

I would encourage the publishers of this game to think about this and not to publish such over simplistic

Also to make money on the blood shed at the WTC is immoral.

I saw the ActionHero Comando Bush and Sissy Osama dolls and these are in poor taste, so your point is if one company has poor taste then others should follow in their footsteps.

*sniff*

*sniff*

yep, i smell something.....

i doubt if you asked 100 americans in the street if all afghani's were our enemy, you'd get 3 that would say yes. the average american is smart enought to differentiate between a gun-toting terrorist and a starving afghan child. using a generalization to prove a generalization is asinine.

it's not for you or i to prevent companies from making a supplement like this - thank god. we vote with our wallet.

i haven't seen the dolls you mention, but would you say that people who make and sell american flags or patriotic t-shirts are capitalizing on the WTC? sales of those skyrocketed in the last year. let's hang them by their toes, those insensitive brutes!

finally, the problem IS, at it's core, very simple. there are some really bad, mean men who want to kill as many innocent americans as possible. i don't see a problem with a game that allows you to, in a cathartic way, do something about that.

anyway, thanks for the politically-correct-nonsense. it's always a pleasure to de-odorize those thoughts.

 

[bolen]

That is uncalled for sir.

I just was stating an objection. This product is in poor taste.

 

[King_Stannis]

That is uncalled for sir.

i agree.

your cheap shot at americans was uncalled for. that's why i had to set you straight.