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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9470344" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Sure, but now to get the full benefit you're expecting another person's 4th level spell.Again, I'm not saying it's a bad spell. It just seems like the guide-making community goes absolutely bugnuts for it...when it's really just pretty decent. Maybe the issue is that Warlocks don't have a lot of competition for their 1st level spell choices? But like even arms of Hadar is pretty good so long as you have at least two targets (even if both make their saves, 2d6 = 7 is better than flat 5 almost all the time) and clearly superior on three (even if all make their saves, you'd have to roll 3 or 4 on 4d6 to not do more damage). I fully admit that armor of Agathys scales better, doubly so if you can make it last for two hits, and that a portion of my issue is rooted in thinking of it as a 1st level spell rather than an auto-scaling spell.I just...still don't see the OMG THIS IS THE BEST WARLOCK SPELL EVAR, which I have legitimately seen from multiple guides at this point. E.g. one of the more prominent guides describes it thus:It just seems like an overblowing of how good the spell is. It is good (and 5.5e makes it quite a bit better). It's not THAT good.</blockquote>