D&D (2024) Agonizing Blast and Green Flame Blade

[Paul Farquhar]

You’ve cracked my code

Sarcasm always makes what you mean much clearer.

 

[mellored]

It says rolls, plural.
And it works with multiple rolls on Eldritch Blast.

So I don't see why it wouldn't work with multiple rolls on the other spells.

Keep in mind, warlocks are supposed to have fairly strong cantrips to make up for their less spells.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

And in three posts we have three different answers. Isn’t natural language a wonderful thing?

It's just a de-light! (Author's note: "de-light" in this context refers to removing light from things, obviously. It should not be confused with "delight".)

 

[Charlaquin]

Sarcasm always makes what you mean much clearer.

No way? Great tip, I’ll keep it in mind!

 

[Paul Farquhar]

No way? Great tip, I’ll keep it in mind!

Good job, it's what any sensible person would do.

 

[Dausuul]

So trying to figure out how these work together RAW (assuming level 5+). Do you get the extra charisma damage on just the creature attacked, just the creature damaged by the secondary damage or on both creatures? Here is the wording for reference:

Agonizing Blast:
Choose one of your known Warlock cantrips that deals damage. You can add your Charisma modifier to that spell’s damage rolls.
Repeatable. You can gain this invocation more than once. Each time you do so, choose a different eligible cantrip.


Green Flame Blade:
You brandish the weapon used in the spell’s casting and make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you. On a hit, the target suffers the weapon attack’s normal effects, and you can cause green fire to leap from the target to a different creature of your choice that you can see within 5 feet of it. The second creature takes fire damage equal to your spellcasting ability modifier.

At Higher Levels. At 5th level, the melee attack deals an extra 1d8 fire damage to the target on a hit, and the fire damage to the second creature increases to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. Both damage rolls increase by 1d8 at 11th level (2d8 and 2d8) and 17th level (3d8 and 3d8).

It says "damage rolls," not "one damage roll." I would rule that it works on both primary and secondary targets starting at 5th level.

Technically it shouldn't work at all below 5th, since the spell doesn't trigger any damage roll. I'd be inclined to house rule that it boosts damage to the primary target, but that is definitely a house rule.

 

[Seramus]

Itt seems far more fun and build empowering to allow it to apply to both damage rolls at 5+. Especially since it still doesn't beat Eldritch Blast.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

So trying to figure out how these work together RAW (assuming level 5+). Do you get the extra charisma damage on just the creature attacked, just the creature damaged by the secondary damage or on both creatures? Here is the wording for reference:

Agonizing Blast:
Choose one of your known Warlock cantrips that deals damage. You can add your Charisma modifier to that spell’s damage rolls.
Repeatable. You can gain this invocation more than once. Each time you do so, choose a different eligible cantrip.


Green Flame Blade:
You brandish the weapon used in the spell’s casting and make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you. On a hit, the target suffers the weapon attack’s normal effects, and you can cause green fire to leap from the target to a different creature of your choice that you can see within 5 feet of it. The second creature takes fire damage equal to your spellcasting ability modifier.

At Higher Levels. At 5th level, the melee attack deals an extra 1d8 fire damage to the target on a hit, and the fire damage to the second creature increases to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. Both damage rolls increase by 1d8 at 11th level (2d8 and 2d8) and 17th level (3d8 and 3d8).

@Paul Farquhar already gave the answer (sorry if I missed anyone), but this isn't hard.

AB adds modifier to "that spell's damage rolls."

The weapon attack isn't a GFB damage roll.
You only get damage rolls at 5th level. You can add your charisma modifier to the damage rolls for the spell at that time.

 

[Xeviat]

This is why I wish Agonizing Blast had been a feature like in A5E, and then it could be modified by the pacts.