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<blockquote data-quote="trappedslider" data-source="post: 9304521" data-attributes="member: 41932"><p>EDIT: So basically in the spirt of this thread :Companies are evil because they are going to use tech to keep from paying people. (is that it?)</p><p></p><p>Maybe i should have no there is NOTHING even potentially illegal about the data scrapping. I mean if you wanna future proof the law then we should also worry about Hologram technology NOW instead of waiting for the actual tech to happen. But that's not how the real world works.</p><p></p><p> Sometimes when working with large amounts of public data you end up with some evidence or material that exists because of illegal activities or malicious actors using your service. What we do in these situations is not to shut the service down, but to require that they take appropriate, reasonable measures to prevent abuse.</p><p></p><p>If datasets are getting information from illegal sources, rather than requiring they shut down all their production, we should demand that they have in place reasonable measures to check for illegal content and scrub it prior to training. If things happen to slip through those measures and filters, we should not be holding them liable for imperfection.</p><p></p><p>Research does not mean non-commercial. Commercial research purposes are still research. Especially in cases like LAION where the results of the research is released to the public.</p><p></p><p>LAION wasn’t created to be a purely academic offering. It was created to offer an open-source alternative to development in AI spaces by the likes of Google and Microsoft. Open source does not mean non commercial either. <a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1711834829862235&usg=AOvVaw27Cw1tK_JBGdiBwoD1klAm" target="_blank">Free as in Freedom, not Free as in Beer.</a></p><p></p><p>And lastly, even academic research is used for commercial purposes after the research is complete. Just because something was discovered by a non-commercial entity doesn't mean that no one can ever come along and make a profit using the technology that was discovered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="trappedslider, post: 9304521, member: 41932"] EDIT: So basically in the spirt of this thread :Companies are evil because they are going to use tech to keep from paying people. (is that it?) Maybe i should have no there is NOTHING even potentially illegal about the data scrapping. I mean if you wanna future proof the law then we should also worry about Hologram technology NOW instead of waiting for the actual tech to happen. But that's not how the real world works. Sometimes when working with large amounts of public data you end up with some evidence or material that exists because of illegal activities or malicious actors using your service. What we do in these situations is not to shut the service down, but to require that they take appropriate, reasonable measures to prevent abuse. If datasets are getting information from illegal sources, rather than requiring they shut down all their production, we should demand that they have in place reasonable measures to check for illegal content and scrub it prior to training. If things happen to slip through those measures and filters, we should not be holding them liable for imperfection. Research does not mean non-commercial. Commercial research purposes are still research. Especially in cases like LAION where the results of the research is released to the public. LAION wasn’t created to be a purely academic offering. It was created to offer an open-source alternative to development in AI spaces by the likes of Google and Microsoft. Open source does not mean non commercial either. [URL='https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1711834829862235&usg=AOvVaw27Cw1tK_JBGdiBwoD1klAm']Free as in Freedom, not Free as in Beer.[/URL] And lastly, even academic research is used for commercial purposes after the research is complete. Just because something was discovered by a non-commercial entity doesn't mean that no one can ever come along and make a profit using the technology that was discovered. [/QUOTE]
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