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<blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 9304697" data-attributes="member: 7037141"><p>Yeah I am not sure what happened, I thought I received a notification but I can't see anything now.</p><p></p><p>Oh well.</p><p></p><p>I think I tried my best, but its also a difficult subject, I don't blame them for their reaction, it just means that I can't continue the conversation. All I asked for was some proof for their side of the argument. That's it. I guess I understand, so no hard feelings towards anybody in the thread.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't think it was worth bothering a mod, who probably has better things to do.</p><p></p><p>If asking for proof is bothersome enough to silence someone, then I really don't know what to say.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER]. I know that its your thread, and I didn't mean to cause a ruckus or nothin'.</p><p></p><p>I just wanted to share a perspective that I think is particularly lacking right now. The perspective of someone who is not just a traditional artist, but someone who is also a patron of the arts. I have hired more than a half-dozen freelance artists over the past two years, individuals that I have the utmost respect for, and whom I will continue to support in these difficult times.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, I phased out of freelancing years ago to start businesses for other people, and to start publishing games for myself. The fact that I get to work with incredibly talented artists is a great blessing to me. I want to see them prosper, and to evolve as artists as they gain experience and improve over the course of their lives. I want to see them able to continue that journey.</p><p></p><p>I grew up inside the art institute as a small kid as my mom attended night school. I grew up with the smell of oil paint, surrounded by amazing people, and I know in my heart that art is an essential component of society. An often selfless act by humans, made for others, to hopefully enrich our lives and wash away the dust of everyday life. (yes, I just paraphrased Picasso).</p><p></p><p>I have personally participated in numerous street art projects, including a veterans mural in Portland, and I never received a penny because I didn't want to get paid. I saw it as a way to give back to the community. <em>I fully understand the boundaries of making art for the public, and taking art without consent [like gen-ai]</em>. I simply tried to illustrate these facts for the public at large, as the voices of artists are the tiniest of minorities in the face of the unending deluge of techbro's.</p><p></p><p><strong><em><u>Here are the real facts</u></em></strong>: <em>Smaller freelance artists can't speak out against gen-ai without risking their jobs</em>. Jobs already put at great risk by the rollout of the myriad of gen-ai tools. Jobs are being replaced every day (both writers and artists). And I can't afford to hire every artist out there. Many artists and writers are being contacted directly from companies, saying they will not be hiring them again, and instead using gen-ai. There is currently little artists can do, they need all the help they can get.</p><p></p><p><em><strong><u>I don't personally benefit one way or the other for arguing against gen-ai, as I am the one doing the hiring of artists</u></strong></em>, and my artwork isn't at risk of being scraped because my portfolio is behind a patreon paywall.</p><p></p><p>What I see being at risk is the future of freelance work. Work that doesn't provide health insurance or any job security whatsoever. Artists take a lot of risk to provide a valuable service to the public. A service that I will always value, and I will always continue to support.</p><p></p><p>The exploitation of working artists is nothing new. What has changed is the technology, which has made it even more difficult for those artists on the lowest end of the economic spectrum, and with little recourse to protect their hard work. Many artists have worked their entire lifetime to create a body of work, something that they have the right to choose to share with the public or not. </p><p></p><p>Taking that choice away means taking away the very thing that they make art for in the first place. </p><p></p><p>I have nothing further to say on the subject. If you want to use gen-ai tools, fine, that's your choice. But I will choose to keep supporting artists. <u>Don't bother quoting me because I am not cool with being cyberstalked and I won't be responding to further replies.</u></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Art Waring, post: 9304697, member: 7037141"] Yeah I am not sure what happened, I thought I received a notification but I can't see anything now. Oh well. I think I tried my best, but its also a difficult subject, I don't blame them for their reaction, it just means that I can't continue the conversation. All I asked for was some proof for their side of the argument. That's it. I guess I understand, so no hard feelings towards anybody in the thread. I didn't think it was worth bothering a mod, who probably has better things to do. If asking for proof is bothersome enough to silence someone, then I really don't know what to say. Thank you [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER]. I know that its your thread, and I didn't mean to cause a ruckus or nothin'. I just wanted to share a perspective that I think is particularly lacking right now. The perspective of someone who is not just a traditional artist, but someone who is also a patron of the arts. I have hired more than a half-dozen freelance artists over the past two years, individuals that I have the utmost respect for, and whom I will continue to support in these difficult times. The thing is, I phased out of freelancing years ago to start businesses for other people, and to start publishing games for myself. The fact that I get to work with incredibly talented artists is a great blessing to me. I want to see them prosper, and to evolve as artists as they gain experience and improve over the course of their lives. I want to see them able to continue that journey. I grew up inside the art institute as a small kid as my mom attended night school. I grew up with the smell of oil paint, surrounded by amazing people, and I know in my heart that art is an essential component of society. An often selfless act by humans, made for others, to hopefully enrich our lives and wash away the dust of everyday life. (yes, I just paraphrased Picasso). I have personally participated in numerous street art projects, including a veterans mural in Portland, and I never received a penny because I didn't want to get paid. I saw it as a way to give back to the community. [I]I fully understand the boundaries of making art for the public, and taking art without consent [like gen-ai][/I]. I simply tried to illustrate these facts for the public at large, as the voices of artists are the tiniest of minorities in the face of the unending deluge of techbro's. [B][I][U]Here are the real facts[/U][/I][/B]: [I]Smaller freelance artists can't speak out against gen-ai without risking their jobs[/I]. Jobs already put at great risk by the rollout of the myriad of gen-ai tools. Jobs are being replaced every day (both writers and artists). And I can't afford to hire every artist out there. Many artists and writers are being contacted directly from companies, saying they will not be hiring them again, and instead using gen-ai. There is currently little artists can do, they need all the help they can get. [I][B][U]I don't personally benefit one way or the other for arguing against gen-ai, as I am the one doing the hiring of artists[/U][/B][/I], and my artwork isn't at risk of being scraped because my portfolio is behind a patreon paywall. What I see being at risk is the future of freelance work. Work that doesn't provide health insurance or any job security whatsoever. Artists take a lot of risk to provide a valuable service to the public. A service that I will always value, and I will always continue to support. The exploitation of working artists is nothing new. What has changed is the technology, which has made it even more difficult for those artists on the lowest end of the economic spectrum, and with little recourse to protect their hard work. Many artists have worked their entire lifetime to create a body of work, something that they have the right to choose to share with the public or not. Taking that choice away means taking away the very thing that they make art for in the first place. I have nothing further to say on the subject. If you want to use gen-ai tools, fine, that's your choice. But I will choose to keep supporting artists. [U]Don't bother quoting me because I am not cool with being cyberstalked and I won't be responding to further replies.[/U] [/QUOTE]
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