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<blockquote data-quote="Essenti" data-source="post: 5851036" data-attributes="member: 100205">Ah... 4e was closest to the original alignments that existed, prior to the 9 alignment breakout with AD&amp;D, 2e, and 3e. Alignment in this case is not really a good veil for your clear dislike of 4e, there are other aspects you could choose to rally behind, but the alignment issue is not it. I understand 4e was disliked by plenty, and paizo was the new way forward for some.&nbsp; Heck, I like pathfinder, it's a good system. There are still many fans who liked their version over Pathfinder, be it whatever version including 4e.If pathfinder was also a golden and perfect system, there wouldn't be so much interest in 5e. You are providing very passive aggressive arguments about 4e, to claim there are aspects worth using, but in the same post that it should be the last place to look? That is an obstinately close-minded approach that I sincerely hope WoTC avoids.Is 4e the best edition ever, nope. But I do want WoTC to use whatever makes sense and works to make the game feel and play like D&amp;D while being a game I actually want to play. I don't care which edition a piece of the core mechanics comes from, as long as it works and works well.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Essenti, post: 5851036, member: 100205"] Ah... 4e was closest to the original alignments that existed, prior to the 9 alignment breakout with AD&D, 2e, and 3e. Alignment in this case is not really a good veil for your clear dislike of 4e, there are other aspects you could choose to rally behind, but the alignment issue is not it. I understand 4e was disliked by plenty, and paizo was the new way forward for some. Heck, I like pathfinder, it's a good system. There are still many fans who liked their version over Pathfinder, be it whatever version including 4e. If pathfinder was also a golden and perfect system, there wouldn't be so much interest in 5e. You are providing very passive aggressive arguments about 4e, to claim there are aspects worth using, but in the same post that it should be the last place to look? That is an obstinately close-minded approach that I sincerely hope WoTC avoids. Is 4e the best edition ever, nope. But I do want WoTC to use whatever makes sense and works to make the game feel and play like D&D while being a game I actually want to play. I don't care which edition a piece of the core mechanics comes from, as long as it works and works well. :) [/QUOTE]

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