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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6196294" data-attributes="member: 42582">Thanks for the link.It's an interesting attempt to make the system coherent. I think there is a tension between the start and the end, though - at the start he tells us that the point of alignment is to dramatise good vs evil conflics, but then at the end we learn that that will only work from a LG point of view - yet we expect players to be able to embrace and play from the point of view of CG, LN and even CN!(There is also an oddity the he identifies Bentham's outook as CG, whereas Gygax uses Bentham's slogan &quot;the greatest happiness of the greatest number&quot; to characterise LG.)Isn't group welfare normally some sort of function of the welfare of the individuals who constitute it? I am interpreting you here as therefore meaning good=other-regard and evil=self-regard. (I'm not sure what room that leaves for neutral.)What is the difference between evil - pursuing one's own self-interest - and chaos - doing things one's own way. And if the idea is that the chaotic person thinks it's good for everyone to do things their own way, isn't that a form of other-regard ie good?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6196294, member: 42582"] Thanks for the link. It's an interesting attempt to make the system coherent. I think there is a tension between the start and the end, though - at the start he tells us that the point of alignment is to dramatise good vs evil conflics, but then at the end we learn that that will only work from a LG point of view - yet we expect players to be able to embrace and play from the point of view of CG, LN and even CN! (There is also an oddity the he identifies Bentham's outook as CG, whereas Gygax uses Bentham's slogan "the greatest happiness of the greatest number" to characterise LG.) Isn't group welfare normally some sort of function of the welfare of the individuals who constitute it? I am interpreting you here as therefore meaning good=other-regard and evil=self-regard. (I'm not sure what room that leaves for neutral.) What is the difference between evil - pursuing one's own self-interest - and chaos - doing things one's own way. And if the idea is that the chaotic person thinks it's good for everyone to do things their own way, isn't that a form of other-regard ie good? [/QUOTE]

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