Alignment - What am I?

[Nightfall]

I am missing something, I don't get it?

Not quite. I'm just being silly with no point to it.

 

[Nifft]

I agree with Lawful Neutral. If you're freeing slaves and fighting demons, ghouls and drow, you're not exactly Evil.

You resort to torture and kill casually: you're not exactly Good either.

As to Law/Chaos, you see yourself as part of a society, and you wish to partake in affairs of state -- clearly Lawful. You don't see yourself as an individual first, you see yourself as part of an organization first -- even if your chosen part is Lord.

It sounds like the world you're playing in is a bit darker than the D&D default setting. If every other nation allows slaves and your new one will not allow them, your Neutrality shines quite brightly in relation to the Evil of your neighbors.

Basically, you take questionable actions for the greater good. Poster child for LN, IMHO.

-- N

 

[LuYangShih]

I do not buy into the argument that fighting evil makes you good. Demons and Devils spend more time fighting each other (Blood War) than anyone else, and it obviously does not affect their morality in a positive way. I would agree that Neutral Evil would be this characters alignment.

 

[Thanee]

I did the very same.

No, you did not.

Those drows tried to kidnap one of my serfs. I rescued him on their way back to their lair.

You said you killed the drows, because they insulted you.
I'm sure you only rescued your serf, because you need him to serve you, not because you don't want to see him captured by drows.

My torturer extracted the information of their stronghold. (I did neither watch nor did participate in the interrogation)

That makes it better, right?

And I can`t do subdual damage, If i could, I had done it, to have some slaves in the mines. (to protect my serfs in the really dangerous shafts and to give some of my serfs a better work)

Again, that's all not good behaviour. A good-aligned person frees people for their own good, not for HIS!

Anyways, there are some lawful tendencies, as others have noted, so LE would also be acceptable, altho I still think NE fits perfectly.

Evil is not about having fun by slaughtering helpless victims. It can be, but it is not necessary. You can be a very honorable person and still be evil. You can act cautious and even subdue rather than kill and still be evil. Evil is not about mindless killing. It's your motivations, why you do something.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

What IS the actual alignment of your wizard currently?

CG?

Bye
Thanee

 

[hong]

Hi,
I am playing a wizard and want to read your opinion what alignment I am (the wizard) .
I have assaulted some Orcs, who where trying to raid the same lost dwarfen stronghold than me. The orcs had hired two mercenaries which I spared, but pressed them into my services.
I also assaulted two strongholds, one with some ghouls and one with some drows. I attacked the ghouls’ stronghold, because they had a prisoner and tortured him to extract information out of him. I wanted the same information and I didn’t want the information to fall in the hand of those ghouls. New: I also wanted to save the prisoner alive. I would not have killed him to deny those ghouls the information.
I assaulted the drows because they insulted me and also tried to kidnap (new: and torture to death) a fellow group member. New: and they would have tried it again and again.
In both cases I let no defenders alive.
I use some of the former prisoners now as servants.

Some of my plans for the future: I want to found a kingdom in which all living and undead inhabitants must pay me their 1/3 if their income as tax.

I try to avoid killing but will not hesitate to kill if it is the easer way.

My maximes are:
The end justifies the means.
Let’s try to solve this without violence.

Any suggestion will be appreciate.

You are Chaotic Powertripping, and I claim my fifty dollars.

 

[S'mon]

You are Chaotic Powertripping, and I claim my fifty dollars.

I agree, and I'd rate the PC CN(E) on the information given. Having goals & maxims that he lives by doesn't make him Lawful.

BTW I don't accept the view that the typical modern western citizen is Neutral, closer to a weak Neutral Good alignment I'd say, in PHB terms. This is because civilisations definitely affect the alignment of their inhabitants, and modern western civilisation is one of the nicer ones. The default human in the 'state of nature' is Neutral, but moldable by his environment.

 

[herald]

At this point I would state that there is not enough information to make the case for any alignment.

I have assaulted some Orcs, who where trying to raid the same lost dwarfen stronghold than me. The orcs had hired two mercenaries which I spared, but pressed them into my services.

There's not enough information to tell us anything here. Were you raiding the stronghold for personal gain or where you on quest for a higher good. Indiana Jones retrieved items for a reason other than greed, and fighting Nazis on the way was reasonable. Granted this might not be the case at all, but I state it to show that there could be more than one side to your issue.

I also assaulted two strongholds, one with some ghouls and one with some drows. I attacked the ghouls’ stronghold, because they had a prisoner and tortured him to extract information out of him. I wanted the same information and I didn’t want the information to fall in the hand of those ghouls. New: I also wanted to save the prisoner alive. I would not have killed him to deny those ghouls the information.

If the information that the prisoner had would be used to protect yourself and your minions or protect the public I would not consider that an evil act. But it might not be a good act either. It does seem to lean towards lawful.

I assaulted the drows because they insulted me and also tried to kidnap (new: and torture to death) a fellow group member. New: and they would have tried it again and again.

Why are they trying to get to your party member? All in all, still makes me feel your Lawful, but missing details on your reasoning. I think the insult thing is a bit of a red herring. If the slight is one that diminished your public image, and therefore your power, I could possibly see it as a reason to attack them (not entirely a justifable in modern times, but this is a medieval world I assume.) All in all, the insult thing seems to be a character flaw more than anything else.

In both cases I let no defenders alive.

Destroying all Ghouls... could be argued that they were already dead. Yea I know that's to easy. But lets take this into account. These were an enemy that was trying to acquire intelligence. If you where at war with an enemy that was for all intents "Immortal" how could you let them get away. They may have figured out something even if the prisoner didn't talk. They may use that information against you or someone else. Justified IMHO. But not good nor evil. Closer to Lawful than anything else.

Destoying all Drow. Where all the Drow combatants? Did this Drow have clear and consistant wish to Kidnap and torture to dead one of your Party members. It sounds like a good old fashion fued to me. At best this is a grey issue. And since the Drow can hold a grudge a very long time, I doubt that it could be said that that was an evil act. Unless there were Drow innocents. Did you slaughter children or commoners? That could put a different spin on it.

Some of my plans for the future: I want to found a kingdom in which all living and undead inhabitants must pay me their 1/3 if their income as tax.

And I presume that there would have to be some tight controls on the streets. If the Undead can feed on the citizenry, things are going to get out of hand.

But some undead don't need to feed on people. Ghosts, Liches and the like don't have those constraints. You could have something like "Ghostwalk" planned.

But if your are going to have a corrupt government, and have undead feeding on the citizenry or the governments prisioners. They you are a Despot, and your evil. Even if you keep the streets clean and everything run on time.

So to recap.

You haven't told us enough to justify anything.

At best I can tell, you're Lawful Neutral.


In the end, you might be sliding into Lawful Evil.

 

[Winternight]

No, you did not.

Yes I Did *Foot stomping*

You said you killed the drows, because they insulted you.
I'm sure you only rescued your serf, because you need him to serve you, not because you don't want to see him captured by drows.

ahh maybe. But I didn`t want him captured and tortured to death by drows, I really dislike violence.

That makes it better, right?

They are drows for Shar's sake. DROWS! They skin humans alive to make leather for their boots.
You can’t talk to a drow prisoner:
"Ok where is you secret entrance to your stronghold"
"..."
"I will get angry if you don’t talk"
"I don’t say anything"
"I really get angry, be aware"
...
2h laters
"You really got me mad"
slap ( with hand)
"See I am angry. Now go to bed with no supper, and don’t come down if you won’t talk to me"

They expect being tortured. That`s their way of diplomacy. Otherwise they don`t respect you.

Again, that's all not good behaviour. A good-aligned person frees people for their own good, not for HIS!

we misunderstood each ohter their.
I would have subdual those drows to use `em as slaves to disburden my serfs. I have freed the prisoner from the ghouls for our both sake.

Anyways, there are some lawful tendencies, as others have noted, so LE would also be acceptable, altho I still think NE fits perfectly.
...
What IS the actual alignment of your wizard currently?
CG?

That`s the question I wanted to avoid.
CG stands on my character sheet, otherwise I couldn’t become ...
NO!
Just kidding
LE with an capital E. (Monte: L3E7) (neutral with tendencies to lawfull.
I laced my spells evil ( all my spells are [EVIL]) just to make a point.
I will kill without any thoughts, without hesitation if it serves my goals.
One of my best friends (RW) and fellow group member told me
"I am afraid what will happen when my char is no longer useful to your character"
"nothing, but the moment he is more a hindrance, than useful his body pays the dept as my undead slave"
We are two main players (me and him) and some extras. He is playing a half-fiend durzargon. And we have with our both characters much fun.
He tries hard to annoy my character and I try hard to find uses for him.

I do not buy into the argument that fighting evil makes you good.

If that made good my a$$ would shine holier that most paladins do. I have met ( and let survive)
I killed hundrets of evil guys. I think i have never killed a good person.
Maybe (but I am not shure) some neutral.
I have never endanger good people or threatend em.

Evil is not about having fun by slaughtering helpless victims. It can be, but it is not necessary. You can be a very honourable person and still be evil. You can act cautious and even subdue rather than kill and still be evil. Evil is not about mindless killing. It's your motivations, why you do something.

But it helps having fun.
And I don`t have fun slaughtering; I do it .
The world is my oyster any other stuff is just obstacles.
rules help to soften the path. You have to relay on the word of others. You need a regulated unlife (oops did I forgot he is a lich?) to be able to concentrate on the important issues of life: spellresearch!

 

[Atridis]

LE with an capital E.

A-HA!!