"All halflings are heterosexual."

[Piratecat]

I closed the other thread, and I'll be absolutely blunt here: if someone tries to derail the thread by railing against homosexuality, that person gets suspended. I'm well aware that this thread is a delicate balance in the first place, but if you feel like being discriminatory this isn't the place for it. If you feel the urge to proselytize for any purpose, please don't post to the thread.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

That GM doesn't deserve players.

Nonsense.

 

[Brennin Magalus]

I closed the other thread, and I'll be absolutely blunt here: if someone tries to derail the thread by railing against homosexuality, that person gets suspended. I'm well aware that this thread is a delicate balance in the first place, but if you feel like being discriminatory this isn't the place for it. If you feel the urge to proselytize for any purpose, please don't post to the thread.

PC,

I hope the same goes for accusations of bigotry.

 

[Ace]

So none of your scenes ever take place in a bar or other social setting where a PC has the opportunity to flirt with an NPC? No one with a high Charisma modifier ever expresses an interest in manipulating an admirer? Sharing backstory love interests over the campfire never comes up? No one has ever been motivated to seek revenge because goblins killed a spouse?

Seems very strict. And to me, boring.

This question wasn't directed at me but in my D&D games (not the PG13 Buffy one though) the answers were

There aren't any taverns in Vinyar (the main country the players are in) as the locals eschew alcohol --

The few times the players have gone into taverns in other places they never bothered to talk with the locals as the Cuthuliod horrors were trying to eat the world (as usual)

Also a lot of the players don't want to (or are afraid to) leave the ironmongery behind

While its not strictly illegal to carry weapons and go about in armor people are scared to death of heavily armored adventurer types. They react to them about as you would to a cycle gang memeber packing an Ak47 at Mickey Dees

As for Charisma -- we don't get social monsters IMC -- we have the occasional High Cha character but I don't recall them doing much manipulation or getting many admirers either -- a lot of times PC's reek of blood and death. yeah they clean up pretty well but I kind of see professional adventurers as a bit shell shocked and more than a little crazy -- as do the players I think

Backstory? What is this back story of what you speak? Seriously though -- I have never seen the characters behave that way. They do have backstories but the never come into play

And as for "been motivated to seek revenge because goblins killed a spouse?" No but we did have a mom and dad killed by Goblins -- the daughter was a raving mad woman who would fling herself into battle screaming "Goblins!" when she saw them . She became known as Alahna the Mad--- not a romatic figure

 

[reanjr]

No. And here's why: D&D has the following social skills: Bluff, Gather Information, Perform, Sense Motive, Diplomacy and Intimidate.

Player: I want to find out what types of things she likes
GM: Roll a Gather Information check
...
Player: I want to give her the gift and try to woo her by making her think she is the most important thing in the world to me.
GM: Roll a Bluff check
...
Player: Does she seem to be responsive?
GM: Roll a Sense Motive check.
...
Player: I attempt to make her realize I'm the one for her.
GM: Make a Perform (<edited for content>) check.

- or the alternate route -

Player: I'm making her mine
GM: Roll an Intimidate check

 

[tarchon]

I'd have no problem with a DM saying anything like that, or even something like "All dwarves are homosexual" (that'd pretty much negate any change for gender/race preference/sexual preference from the initial incident); aside from it being a game, there may even be logical reasons for such. Plus, I'm fairly easygoing.

It's different with Dwarves - you can't tell the sex of a Dwarf until you look under the beard, and by then it's too late to change your mind.

 

[reanjr]

Careful there, JQ. You almost imply that paired halfling women couldn't have a "strong family."

Fertility? Maybe an issue in your example. But not what constitutes a "family."

Well, I don't think the standard fantasy campaign has an orphanage system or social services, so a homosexual couple isn't going to have a family. Historically, most homosexual men of power had wives with which to procreate.

 

[reanjr]

I haven't read the entire thread, but I've skimmed thoroughly. I'm a little surprised at the number of people assuming the GM was in the right based on a single line of dialogue.

Probably because there are a lot of DMs here who have been in similar situations. They understand the DM's pain. Players are one of the biggest problem in running a campaign.

On top of that, I just don't meet that many homophobes (though perhaps some homo-distatefulls). It just seems unlikely that it was due to homophobia.

 

[Piratecat]

I hope the same goes for accusations of bigotry.

I didn't invite that discussion to continue. I had thought that was clear.

I'm going to close this thread. It was hanging on tenterhooks previously, and if all the important points haven't yet been made then they'll have to wait a few weeks until someone brings up the subject again.