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<blockquote data-quote="Incenjucar" data-source="post: 4099197" data-attributes="member: 6182"><p>I take it you never used a Wand in earlier editions? What was the standard charge limit again.... <strong>50</strong>?</p><p></p><p>And in 4E, nothing is stopping you from using a host of different abilities, magical or no. It is false to claim otherwise. A particular at-will may be your best option, on average, but this just means your DM isn't throwing a wide enough variety of encounters at you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>NO True Scotsman would agree with you. Beyond that, 4E applies Vancian mechanics to every single class. EVERY SINGLE CLASS. So resting is MORE important. In prior editions, so long as the wizard had some wands or scrolls, and there was a Wand of Cure around, you never had to stop. I don't think 4E is going to be giving Wands of Tide of Iron out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The intensity is down, the volume is up. Everyone is a Vancian Caster now, but everyone can also swing their sword all day, too. 31 Flavors of Gish Mechanics.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> :\ </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"I full attack."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good thing they weakened the spellcasters then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Every genre revolves around utilizing and/or combatting the genre elements.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not a valid criticism of 4E.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"I full attack."</p><p></p><p>"I recharge my Wand of Magic Missiles."</p><p></p><p>"Ah man time to rez the fighter again."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not a valid criticism of 4E.</p><p></p><p>You're either lying to us, or lying to yourself, I'm not sure which, but this just isn't valid.</p><p></p><p>Please, if you're going to make these hyperbolic claims, cite some evidence and show how it supports it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Incenjucar, post: 4099197, member: 6182"] I take it you never used a Wand in earlier editions? What was the standard charge limit again.... [B]50[/B]? And in 4E, nothing is stopping you from using a host of different abilities, magical or no. It is false to claim otherwise. A particular at-will may be your best option, on average, but this just means your DM isn't throwing a wide enough variety of encounters at you. NO True Scotsman would agree with you. Beyond that, 4E applies Vancian mechanics to every single class. EVERY SINGLE CLASS. So resting is MORE important. In prior editions, so long as the wizard had some wands or scrolls, and there was a Wand of Cure around, you never had to stop. I don't think 4E is going to be giving Wands of Tide of Iron out. The intensity is down, the volume is up. Everyone is a Vancian Caster now, but everyone can also swing their sword all day, too. 31 Flavors of Gish Mechanics. :\ "I full attack." Good thing they weakened the spellcasters then. Every genre revolves around utilizing and/or combatting the genre elements. This is not a valid criticism of 4E. "I full attack." "I recharge my Wand of Magic Missiles." "Ah man time to rez the fighter again." This is not a valid criticism of 4E. You're either lying to us, or lying to yourself, I'm not sure which, but this just isn't valid. Please, if you're going to make these hyperbolic claims, cite some evidence and show how it supports it. [/QUOTE]
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