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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4105437" data-attributes="member: 2067">It's fair to make comparisons. It's useless to defend 4e flaws using 3e's flaws. To use your analogy, it's useless to excuse the new model for not doing something that it could be doing based on the fact that older models don't do it. It might be a more apt analogy to use something that other cars do. Say, get 30 miles to the gallon. There are cars out there that do that, just as there are game systems out there that give melee combatants a lot to do. This new model does not appear to, in some people's opinions. It is an entirely relevant criticism that this model does not appear to do something that some other cars/game systems do.And bringing up the fact that a 10 year old car also doesn't get 30 miles to the gallon is useless. So what? We're not talking about this 10 year old model, we're talking about this new model, which appears to be not doing something that is probably well within its capacity to do. The question in both cases is "Should I Play 4e?"What 3e does or doesn't do isn't going to answer that question for anyone. What else the other person does (and I garuantee that continuing 3e is only one of the multitude of options here) is irrelevant. Obviously, that thing is more enjoyable for them than 4e. By criticising that thing, you're not going to make it less enjoyable for them, or give them a reason to play 4e, you're just going to be offering empty, irrelevant criticism of something that doesn't even matter, and isn't about 4e. If someone things that 4e doesn't give fighters enough options, saying "3e didn't, either!" isn't going to tell them why they should play 4e. It might tell them why they shouldn't play 3e, but that isn't the only alternative, by far, and it creates then a discussion about how right or wrong you are about 3e, which is completely useless, because this forum is mostly for discussion about 4e.</blockquote>

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