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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4105544" data-attributes="member: 2067">Actually, they probably sincerely believe that the 3e fighter has more options than the 4e fighter.Find out why, rather than just dismissing their opinion, and maybe your view on what a fighter can do will be enlightened.For instance, earlier in the thread I gave a reason why someone could think that a 3e fighter has more options than a 4e fighter. The 3e fighter always has the option to try and trip someone. The 4e fighter might only have this option once in an encounter if they choose the power. This is a limitation. If you think this is a good limitation, you've effectively bought his argument: he's right, the 4e fither is more limited, but it's a good thing. If you speculate that 4e might have different tripping rules for when you don't have the power, you've given some interesting thought on the next edition. That's a pretty useful conversation. We've either discovered something about 4e fighters (they're more limited) or speculated about something 4e might contain (some sort of stunt system). Versus just debating about whether or not 3e fighters were "really" limited. Which doesn't tell us anything about 4e, and is, thus, pretty useless in discussing 4e.</blockquote>