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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8951721" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I would argue that this traditionally is the Rogue's job though, to scout ahead and gather advance intel on upcoming battles.&nbsp; And it's not like Rogues are alone here; you have familiars, wild shaped druids, divination spells, etc..I acknowledge &quot;The Decker Problem&quot; (for people who are familiar with Shadowrun), but making Stealth more obnoxious isn't the cure for this sort of thing, but a conversation with the players out of game and reaching some compromise to what degree they will be allowed to use their abilities in the game.Really, with all the special sensory abilities enemies can have access to, I wouldn't want to try and advance recon even if Stealth allowed for &quot;Elder Scrolls&quot; style sneaking; the risks are entirely too great, especially since even with Darkvision, there's a lot of things you can miss noticing in dim light.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8951721, member: 6877472"] I would argue that this traditionally is the Rogue's job though, to scout ahead and gather advance intel on upcoming battles. And it's not like Rogues are alone here; you have familiars, wild shaped druids, divination spells, etc.. I acknowledge "The Decker Problem" (for people who are familiar with Shadowrun), but making Stealth more obnoxious isn't the cure for this sort of thing, but a conversation with the players out of game and reaching some compromise to what degree they will be allowed to use their abilities in the game. Really, with all the special sensory abilities enemies can have access to, I wouldn't want to try and advance recon even if Stealth allowed for "Elder Scrolls" style sneaking; the risks are entirely too great, especially since even with Darkvision, there's a lot of things you can miss noticing in dim light. [/QUOTE]

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