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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8244047" data-attributes="member: 72555">No, not really.At level 11, a rapier using duelist fighter with 20 dexterity does 3d8+21 (34.5) damage in an attack action.On action surge, they do 69 damage (nice).A shortsword dual wielding duelist fighter does 4d6+20 damage (34) in an attack action and a bonus action.&nbsp; On action surge, they do 7d6+35 (59.5).With dual wielder feat they do another +4/+7 damage (38 normal/66.5 AS).This costs you 1 AC, the enhancement bonus from any magical shield, requires 2 magic weapons, and a feat.&nbsp; And the result is not that impressive.Now, suppose you have a flametongue and a +2 rapier for the DW, and a flametongue and +2 shield on Duelist.&nbsp; Both have 20 dex and wear +1 studded armor.TWF attack routine is +9@3d8+6d6+15(49.5) +11@1d8+7 (11.5), +49.5 on action surge (61/110.5 with bonus accuracy for 11 of it)Duelist attack routine is +9@3d8+6d6+21(55.5), +55.5 on action surge (55.5/111).AC is 19 vs 22.Duelist has 1 more free feat to spend.TWF style gets 10% more DPR without action surge (almost no change with action surge), in exchange for 3 AC and a feat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8244047, member: 72555"] No, not really. At level 11, a rapier using duelist fighter with 20 dexterity does 3d8+21 (34.5) damage in an attack action. On action surge, they do 69 damage (nice). A shortsword dual wielding duelist fighter does 4d6+20 damage (34) in an attack action and a bonus action. On action surge, they do 7d6+35 (59.5). With dual wielder feat they do another +4/+7 damage (38 normal/66.5 AS). This costs you 1 AC, the enhancement bonus from any magical shield, requires 2 magic weapons, and a feat. And the result is not that impressive. Now, suppose you have a flametongue and a +2 rapier for the DW, and a flametongue and +2 shield on Duelist. Both have 20 dex and wear +1 studded armor. TWF attack routine is +9@3d8+6d6+15(49.5) +11@1d8+7 (11.5), +49.5 on action surge (61/110.5 with bonus accuracy for 11 of it) Duelist attack routine is +9@3d8+6d6+21(55.5), +55.5 on action surge (55.5/111). AC is 19 vs 22. Duelist has 1 more free feat to spend. TWF style gets 10% more DPR without action surge (almost no change with action surge), in exchange for 3 AC and a feat. [/QUOTE]

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