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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8261652" data-attributes="member: 6704184">Sure. Never disputed the ranger can do stuff the rogue can’t. On a limited basis. The Rogue isn’t going in danger of being overshadowed, however, because the rogue is much better when spells aren’t involved, and rarely that outclassed even when spells are used. For instance, if I have a BM ranger and a rogue in the party, even with beast sense, I’m not sending the Ranger’s pet scouting. The rogue is better at it. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />The ranger came cast a 2nd level spell to be better at stealth than anyone, with concentration, but cannot give that benefit to their pet and send the pet ahead, nor use pwot and beast sense, even if pwot had a greater range.The rogue is past the point where more bonus rarely matters, and doesn’t have to spend resources for it. An arcane trickster can also use invisibility, or save their level 2 slots for shadowblade, and can get a familiar that will never cost a spell slot and needs no extra investment to be a scout pet.Point is, the Ranger catches up to other classes with Tashas, but it’s not going to make the rogue feel overshadowed. The rogue can compete or exceed the ranger any time the ranger can’t afford to spend spells, and will have a wider range of situations where they are very good.Especially Scout and Arcane Trickster.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8261652, member: 6704184"] Sure. Never disputed the ranger can do stuff the rogue can’t. On a limited basis. The Rogue isn’t going in danger of being overshadowed, however, because the rogue is much better when spells aren’t involved, and rarely [I]that[/I] outclassed even when spells are used. For instance, if I have a BM ranger and a rogue in the party, even with beast sense, I’m not sending the Ranger’s pet scouting. The rogue is better at it. 🤷‍♂️ The ranger came cast a 2nd level spell to be better at stealth than anyone, with concentration, but cannot give that benefit to their pet [I]and [/I]send the pet ahead, nor use pwot [I]and [/I]beast sense, even if pwot had a greater range. The rogue is past the point where more bonus rarely matters, and doesn’t have to spend resources for it. An arcane trickster can also use invisibility, or save their level 2 slots for shadowblade, and can get a familiar that will never cost a spell slot and needs no extra investment to be a scout pet. Point is, the Ranger catches up to other classes with Tashas, but it’s not going to make the rogue feel overshadowed. The rogue can compete or exceed the ranger any time the ranger can’t afford to spend spells, and will have a wider range of situations where they are very good. Especially Scout and Arcane Trickster. [/QUOTE]

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