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<blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 8263583" data-attributes="member: 7021420">You explicitly said that if there's a Ranger and a Rogue in the party, you won't be sending the Ranger's Companion on any scouting. Why is this your decision? Are you the Ranger? Because presumably, if a Ranger chose a stealthy Companion, such as a Panther, he intends to use it. I frequently see parties with multiple stealthy character put more than one of them up front, since I've also seen a lot of solo scouts get turned into ghoul snacks.Even with disadvantage, you will beat nearly everything in the MM the vast majority of the time, especially if you're in darkness. I've seen it successfully used for the entire party countless times, yes, including the Noise Domain cleric.Right, but then you later made the equally ridiculous claim that the rogue meets or exceeds the Ranger at everything if all the Ranger's spell slots have been expended. This is simply not&nbsp; true. Multiattacking alone gives the Ranger options the Rogue lacks, and of course, the conclave features also do things Rogues can't replicate.Okay. Here are some things I have frequently seen Rangers do:-Help the entire party sneak past something or launch a surprise attack using Pass Without Trace-Use Spike Growth to keep enemies at bay while the party whittled them down.-Use a Companion to provide melee threat while staying out of range.-Spend the day's unused slots on Goodberry-Generally higher damage (especially if spell-enhanced)I wouldn't say it &quot;overshadows&quot; the Rogue, and I'm one of the the class's biggest critics regarding its ribbon-centric design, but it definitely has access to things that rogues, AFAIK, can't replicate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fearsomepirate, post: 8263583, member: 7021420"] You explicitly said that if there's a Ranger and a Rogue in the party, you won't be sending the Ranger's Companion on any scouting. Why is this your decision? Are you the Ranger? Because presumably, if a Ranger chose a stealthy Companion, such as a Panther, he intends to use it. I frequently see parties with multiple stealthy character put more than one of them up front, since I've also seen a lot of solo scouts get turned into ghoul snacks. Even with disadvantage, you will beat nearly everything in the MM the vast majority of the time, especially if you're in darkness. I've seen it successfully used for the entire party countless times, yes, including the Noise Domain cleric. Right, but then you later made the equally ridiculous claim that the rogue meets or exceeds the Ranger at everything if all the Ranger's spell slots have been expended. This is simply not true. Multiattacking alone gives the Ranger options the Rogue lacks, and of course, the conclave features also do things Rogues can't replicate. Okay. Here are some things I have frequently seen Rangers do: -Help the entire party sneak past something or launch a surprise attack using Pass Without Trace -Use Spike Growth to keep enemies at bay while the party whittled them down. -Use a Companion to provide melee threat while staying out of range. -Spend the day's unused slots on Goodberry -Generally higher damage (especially if spell-enhanced) I wouldn't say it "overshadows" the Rogue, and I'm one of the the class's biggest critics regarding its ribbon-centric design, but it definitely has access to things that rogues, AFAIK, can't replicate. [/QUOTE]

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