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<blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 260748" data-attributes="member: 363">I can't, and wouldn't, dispute any of this, but there is an important point to remember. Just as with the Cthulhu mythos, the main protagonists for the stories involving these creatures are what would be, in D&amp;D terms, low-level Commoners. Even a fair-to-middlingly powerful creature (in D&amp;D terms) would seem invincible in such stories. That's why I don't think the vampire (or Cthulhu &amp; Co.) of d20 have to be virtually unbeatable. The PCs are not that powerful at low levels, relatively speaking, so a vampire from the MM would seem pretty tough. At higher levels, the PCs are on the road to becoming heroes of legend (generally), the very type of protagonist you don't find in vampire or Cthulhu stories - they aren't helpless enough, and can give most bad guys that show up in such tales a good whippin.'Now, a good vampiric nemesis for high level PCs would be one of their own (or the equivalent) that has become a vampire.EDIT: By the way, try running a Commoner-only adventure with even a mid-level vampire as the antagonist. The vamp will seem awfully tough then.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ColonelHardisson, post: 260748, member: 363"] I can't, and wouldn't, dispute any of this, but there is an important point to remember. Just as with the Cthulhu mythos, the main protagonists for the stories involving these creatures are what would be, in D&D terms, low-level Commoners. Even a fair-to-middlingly powerful creature (in D&D terms) would seem invincible in such stories. That's why I don't think the vampire (or Cthulhu & Co.) of d20 have to be virtually unbeatable. The PCs are not that powerful at low levels, relatively speaking, so a vampire from the MM would seem pretty tough. At higher levels, the PCs are on the road to becoming heroes of legend (generally), the very type of protagonist you don't find in vampire or Cthulhu stories - they aren't helpless enough, and can give most bad guys that show up in such tales a good whippin.' Now, a good vampiric nemesis for high level PCs would be one of their own (or the equivalent) that has become a vampire. EDIT: By the way, try running a Commoner-only adventure with even a mid-level vampire as the antagonist. The vamp will seem awfully tough then. [/QUOTE]

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