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<blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 263360" data-attributes="member: 2723">Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep it in mind next time I'm at the game store. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Don't recall complaining about anything other than mechanics. I certainly didn't say anything about the vampire needing to be more &quot;romantic&quot;. Personally I prefer my vampires as horrific, vile monsters, but that's just me. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And that snippet proves your point how? I don't see where it says that the victims spend the rest of their lives sick after a vampire attack. It proves that people do get sick after an attack. Yes, obviously as their CON goes down. I wasn't disputing that people get sick. But unless you can find a story with a person who was attacked by a vampire, say, 30 years previously and they're still sick, then I'll gladly back off that point. Got no problem with being proven wrong. But til then, I'll continue to argue that CON drain shouldn't be permanent. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Epidemic proportions? More like &quot;apocalyptic&quot; proportions! What's &quot;ridiculous&quot; is just how easily a new vampire can be created. In the DMG it says that your average thorp has between 20-80 people. Let's say a vampire attacks one with 80 people while everyone's asleep and kills them all. This vampire just created 80 Vampire Spawn. In one night. All of which are under his total control. This vampire, with his newly created horde of Vampire Spawn, can go on to attack nearby villages and draining everyone there dry, too, and create more Spawn. &nbsp;So where are the legends of marauding vampire armies across europe? Vampire legions marching on Constantinople? Vampire nations? After all, if vampires can so easily create hordes of Vampire Spawn, then why haven't there been stories of conquering vampires ruling over the human populace like cattle, subjugating the whole earth? Considering how easily vampires reproduce, I'd say their threat goes way BEYOND &quot;epidemic&quot;. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, IMO, how they work is stupid and ill-conceived. But that's just my opinion. Personally, I'd prefer their blood drain to be worked in one of 3 ways. &nbsp;A) Vampire bite does temporary CON damage. Those who survive are sick for a while, but eventually recover. &nbsp;B) Vampire bite does level drain damage. You can recover if you survive, but it takes longer. The other downside is you can kill a 1st level person to quickly, while a higher level person takes longer to die. &nbsp;C) Vampire bite does BOTH a level drain and temporary CON damage. &nbsp;Whatever the case, if they had to have level drain, it would've made much more sense as a result of a bite. Not as a result from a bitchslap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Green Knight, post: 263360, member: 2723"] Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep it in mind next time I'm at the game store. Don't recall complaining about anything other than mechanics. I certainly didn't say anything about the vampire needing to be more "romantic". Personally I prefer my vampires as horrific, vile monsters, but that's just me. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. And that snippet proves your point how? I don't see where it says that the victims spend the rest of their lives sick after a vampire attack. It proves that people do get sick after an attack. Yes, obviously as their CON goes down. I wasn't disputing that people get sick. But unless you can find a story with a person who was attacked by a vampire, say,[b] 30 years previously[/b] and they're still sick, then I'll gladly back off that point. Got no problem with being proven wrong. But til then, I'll continue to argue that CON drain shouldn't be permanent. Epidemic proportions? More like "apocalyptic" proportions! What's "ridiculous" is just how easily a new vampire can be created. In the DMG it says that your average thorp has between 20-80 people. Let's say a vampire attacks one with 80 people while everyone's asleep and kills them all. This vampire just created[i] 80 Vampire Spawn[/i]. In one night. All of which are under his total control. This vampire, with his newly created horde of Vampire Spawn, can go on to attack nearby villages and draining everyone there dry, too, and create more Spawn. So where are the legends of marauding vampire armies across europe? Vampire legions marching on Constantinople? Vampire nations? After all, if vampires can so easily create hordes of Vampire Spawn, then why haven't there been stories of conquering vampires ruling over the human populace like cattle, subjugating the whole earth? Considering how easily vampires reproduce, I'd say their threat goes way BEYOND "epidemic". Well, IMO, how they work is stupid and ill-conceived. But that's just my opinion. Personally, I'd prefer their blood drain to be worked in one of 3 ways. A) Vampire bite does temporary CON damage. Those who survive are sick for a while, but eventually recover. B) Vampire bite does level drain damage. You can recover if you survive, but it takes longer. The other downside is you can kill a 1st level person to quickly, while a higher level person takes longer to die. C) Vampire bite does BOTH a level drain and temporary CON damage. Whatever the case, if they had to have level drain, it would've made much more sense as a result of a bite. Not as a result from a bitchslap. [/QUOTE]

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