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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 284801" data-attributes="member: 4722">I'm recently come to this discussion, so I only scanned over some of the replies. I do, however, agree that the 3E vampire sucks. Like most of the other monsters in the MM, there are NO RPing notes. Energy drain AND blood drain? WTF?You add in a few levels of fighter and/or mage, and you've got a monster that could easily rip a party apart, if played properly. The key words here are if player properly; the MM is simply a list of monsters to throw at the players, with little thought to making them true adversaries, and like someone mentioned before, it's a crutch for lazy DMs. &nbsp; Ok, before I get sidetracked on a rant about the MM... I've long had an interest in undead in general and vampries in particular. A few years ago, I stumbled across a netbook on vampires, written in some other format (I think it was WoD - it described vampirism as a virus?), and I decided to write a netbook for the generic AD&amp;D vampire. I included new rules for feeding (CON loss according to the amount of blood drained), creation, powers gained with age, different powers from the norm, different species, etc. The 2E vampire couldn't drain blood, so I created a variant that could, and made the energy-draining type a weaker species (a greater wight, if you will). Incidentally, my rules for blood drain and feeding are remarkably similar to the RL 3E rules, which I hadn't seen until I read them here. &nbsp; The 3E version of the Vampiricon is being written for publication, but you can find the 2E version here: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/mistmane/vampires.zip." target="_blank">www.geocities.com/mistmane/vampires.zip.</a> It doesn't have all the stuff that's in the 3E version, but it's got enough that you can wreak havoc with your players - most of it is generic information.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 284801, member: 4722"] I'm recently come to this discussion, so I only scanned over some of the replies. I do, however, agree that the 3E vampire sucks. Like most of the other monsters in the MM, there are NO RPing notes. Energy drain AND blood drain? WTF? You add in a few levels of fighter and/or mage, and you've got a monster that could easily rip a party apart, if played properly. The key words here are [i]if player properly[/i]; the MM is simply a list of monsters to throw at the players, with little thought to making them true adversaries, and like someone mentioned before, it's a crutch for lazy DMs. Ok, before I get sidetracked on a rant about the MM... I've long had an interest in undead in general and vampries in particular. A few years ago, I stumbled across a netbook on vampires, written in some other format (I think it was WoD - it described vampirism as a virus?), and I decided to write a netbook for the generic AD&D vampire. I included new rules for feeding (CON loss according to the amount of blood drained), creation, powers gained with age, different powers from the norm, different species, etc. The 2E vampire couldn't drain blood, so I created a variant that could, and made the energy-draining type a weaker species (a greater wight, if you will). Incidentally, my rules for blood drain and feeding are remarkably similar to the RL 3E rules, which I hadn't seen until I read them here. The 3E version of the Vampiricon is being written for publication, but you can find the 2E version here: [url]www.geocities.com/mistmane/vampires.zip.[/url] It doesn't have all the stuff that's in the 3E version, but it's got enough that you can wreak havoc with your players - most of it is generic information. [/QUOTE]

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