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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 626768" data-attributes="member: 4937">Umbran: I've found players more than willing to delude themselves that the Demon is going to keep its word (Devil's are even better for this, after all they are 'lawful'), and therefore the Demon is now a harmless servitor - a magic item no different than a magic sword.&nbsp; No matter how cautious and skeptical they may be at first, they always seem surprised when betrayed at last, or the Demon twists thier words, etc..&nbsp;&nbsp; If the DM let us order the Demon around once (twice, thrice, even four times!), why then the DM must have decided that the Demon is going to serve us forever.&nbsp; It really helps if you grovel and call the PC 'master'.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So, obvious or not, I won't be surprised if it works.On the other hand, I would have NEVER explicitly given any of the spells the 'evil' descriptor.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would have let the description of the spells and the material components speak for themselves and I would have noted that the spell book describes how to call upon infernal power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 626768, member: 4937"] Umbran: I've found players more than willing to delude themselves that the Demon is going to keep its word (Devil's are even better for this, after all they are 'lawful'), and therefore the Demon is now a harmless servitor - a magic item no different than a magic sword. No matter how cautious and skeptical they may be at first, they always seem surprised when betrayed at last, or the Demon twists thier words, etc.. If the DM let us order the Demon around once (twice, thrice, even four times!), why then the DM must have decided that the Demon is going to serve us forever. It really helps if you grovel and call the PC 'master'. :) So, obvious or not, I won't be surprised if it works. On the other hand, I would have NEVER explicitly given any of the spells the 'evil' descriptor. I would have let the description of the spells and the material components speak for themselves and I would have noted that the spell book describes how to call upon infernal power. [/QUOTE]

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