Ampersand: Sneak Attack
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mach1.9pants
Hero
I suppose that rapier has become the iconic DnD Rogue weapon only because it was the best standard option for most Rogues in 3E. Up until then it was a 'Sir Not Appearing in the Edition...'
Is Biggie-small a Rogue, man I thought he was a ranger throughout.
Is Biggie-small a Rogue, man I thought he was a ranger throughout.
Doug McCrae
Legend
Less curious.Campbell said:
And a bow is not?am181d said:
But I'm not sure where precision comes into it. "Once per round, when you have combat advantage against an enemy and are using a light blade, a crossbow, or a sling, your attacks against that enemy deal extra damage." Now, some of the rogue abilities, like Piercing Strike, are different. But sneak attack merely requires that the rogue has a "combat advantage" over the target.
The Little Raven
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Spatula said:
The more ranged weapons and abilities you give the rogue, the less unique the ranger gets. If you want to be a ranged striker, ranger is where it's at.
Scholar & Brutalman
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In R&C it says:
That seems to be gone. I can see why: it would have pushed the "clever rogue" archetype, but would have added quite a bit of MAD.
R&C said:
That seems to be gone. I can see why: it would have pushed the "clever rogue" archetype, but would have added quite a bit of MAD.
Fallen Seraph
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Well not necessarily that would be something that would happen with all characters not just rogues, so why would it be in the rogue section of the PHB?
The article doesn't talk much about skills, so that wouldn't have come up.
It actually fits in with something I put down a little while ago in the other forum about skills:
"Ability Modifier + Class Level + Skill Points + Intelligence Modifier.
This could go with the idea that with more intelligence you more easily learn how to do something, but you would still require the basic ability to perform it well. So like the ability is how you use it the intelligence is how you refine and perfect it.
So as such Intelligence isn't used to gain extra skill points when you divide out your skill points each level, instead it is a stock number you gain from your Intelligence modifier for all skills, or perhaps could be intelligence score if skill points are much higher this time around."
The article doesn't talk much about skills, so that wouldn't have come up.
It actually fits in with something I put down a little while ago in the other forum about skills:
"Ability Modifier + Class Level + Skill Points + Intelligence Modifier.
This could go with the idea that with more intelligence you more easily learn how to do something, but you would still require the basic ability to perform it well. So like the ability is how you use it the intelligence is how you refine and perfect it.
So as such Intelligence isn't used to gain extra skill points when you divide out your skill points each level, instead it is a stock number you gain from your Intelligence modifier for all skills, or perhaps could be intelligence score if skill points are much higher this time around."
Scholar & Brutalman
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Fallen Seraph said:
Because it's in the "What's New with the Rogue" article by Mike Mearls, in the "Rogue" section of R&C, and it says "Rogues get a flat bonus..."
Fallen Seraph
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Scholar & Brutalman said:
Well it could be that since Rogues have always been viewed as being intelligent, and are skill-monkeys that they would mention such a thing in the rogues section, but that doesn't mean it is limited to the rogue.
That is like saying when a "fighter swings his sword he has to hit higher then the AC" does that automatically mean all other classes work differently.
The Little Raven
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Scholar & Brutalman said:
"Bear in mind that as I write this, 4th Edition is still a work in progress. We're still hip-deep in playtesting and fine tuning, and many specifics are still in flux. So, take this book as what it is - a snapshot of the 4th Edition design and development process at this point in time (August 2007). We still have months of work before we send the core rules to the printers, and things will change between now and then." - Bill Slavicsek, Races & Classes, page 6
Scholar & Brutalman
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Mourn said:
Yeah, I know. I have the book as well. That's how I'm quoting from it. I was pointing out one of the things that appeared to have changed.
Kirnon_Bhale
Explorer
I had previously made a suggestion on the role of each of the rogue weapons earlier in the thread.
Shuriken I feel fall into lightblades and I also conjectured that thrown weapons would be a viable option for "ranged melee" (how's that for a juxtaposition of words) or for want of a better description "reach".
Kirnon_Bhale said:
Shuriken I feel fall into lightblades and I also conjectured that thrown weapons would be a viable option for "ranged melee" (how's that for a juxtaposition of words) or for want of a better description "reach".
Lizard said:
You were excited but I wasn't. I don't think it's really valid to say that RPGs are just about conflicts happening within plots. Some people might say that it's about beer and pretzels, or socializing with friends while gaming. I tend to think it's about interesting characters and good stories and having fun (and sometimes, not so much fun, which makes the fun all that sweeter). So, it's "fluff" over "crunch" for me and my group.
I don't know if you meant "conflict resolution" in the same sense I do, but D&D does not use not any conflict resolution system -- it's a gamist system which uses task-based resolution to resolve the outcome of individual actions, not the whole conflict.
And no, I don't think D&D should be just about combat or moving miniatures on a board. If you think a "simple underlying system with lots and lots of options" would be ideal for you, I might have an idea how to make 4E even better: a single "combat resolution" roll per encounter, modified by one of the 2000 possible combat maneuvers. And there you go -- simple and yet you get to apply the modifiers from a big list of things to do in melee.
Hussar said:
Which bad guy? You mean the monster HPs which are listed in parentheses? You probably know that those numbers are the *average* HPs for each monster, and you could also roll them just as well. This method adds a lot of randomness and variance to HPs. If you referred to the Hit Dice -- I doubt that a player (who has never DMed) would remember all of them by heart (including the Con modifier).
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the 'NPC - Elf - Mastermind - Wizard'-entry in MM... sorry about that! How silly of me to think that NPCs -- even BBEGs -- would use PC creation rules.
I may be the only one on this forum, but I see static HPs being rather boring... no variance (except between the number added by your Con score, which would amount to 5-10 HPs in most cases anyway) in HPs between PCs or monsters of equal level and class/role.
Jim DelRosso
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Lizard said:
Not me. I love me my crunch, and I was thrilled to get such a crunchy preview for the weekend.
