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<blockquote data-quote="Rothe" data-source="post: 3396812" data-attributes="member: 39813">Reduced quote to save space.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know exactly what you are talking about.&nbsp; In earlier editions this could also become annoying where DMs required you to explain everything in nitty-gritty detail, forget to say we look at the ceiling when we enter the room and you could die.&nbsp; Hence the creation of mutlii-paged &quot;standard-operating-procedures&quot; detailing which character looks where when walking down the hallway, how we check a door or item before actually touching it, etc.&nbsp; As a player having to resort to such was tiring.&nbsp; Especially once you got to some respectable levels.&nbsp; Experienced adventurers don't forget to look at the ceiling or behind things, unless maybe they are INT 4. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Then and these days I simply let players know on their first adventure that they are inexpereinced, I'll assume they do very little as standard operating procedure unless told otherwise.&nbsp; Once they get a few forays in I'll assume they are more cautious and will just ask how cautious they wish to be.&nbsp; Caution takes time, so monsters can wander by, spells can run out etc., it's not an easy choice to always be super-cautious.&nbsp; On the old INT 4 character, which frankly I'd strongly discourage for the very reasons you mention,&nbsp; if the player choses INT 4 then they should live with the consequences, just like if they chose STR 4.&nbsp; Conversly, if a player choses INT 18, then I've always given them benefits to reflect this, more clues, far less chance of forgetting standard operating procedures or even suggesting things.&nbsp; There is no lack of player freedom in prohibiting an INT 4 character from thinking of something incredible (of course looking behind a picture is not too incredible) they freely chose to place that score there and should complain about it later.&nbsp; They want all the benefits of their choices but not of the detriments.&nbsp; Yet people will whine, so I haven't had an INT 4 character and wouldn't allow one unless your willing to play as INT 4.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rothe, post: 3396812, member: 39813"] Reduced quote to save space. I know exactly what you are talking about. In earlier editions this could also become annoying where DMs required you to explain everything in nitty-gritty detail, forget to say we look at the ceiling when we enter the room and you could die. Hence the creation of mutlii-paged "standard-operating-procedures" detailing which character looks where when walking down the hallway, how we check a door or item before actually touching it, etc. As a player having to resort to such was tiring. Especially once you got to some respectable levels. Experienced adventurers don't forget to look at the ceiling or behind things, unless maybe they are INT 4. :). Then and these days I simply let players know on their first adventure that they are inexpereinced, I'll assume they do very little as standard operating procedure unless told otherwise. Once they get a few forays in I'll assume they are more cautious and will just ask how cautious they wish to be. Caution takes time, so monsters can wander by, spells can run out etc., it's not an easy choice to always be super-cautious. On the old INT 4 character, which frankly I'd strongly discourage for the very reasons you mention, if the player choses INT 4 then they should live with the consequences, just like if they chose STR 4. Conversly, if a player choses INT 18, then I've always given them benefits to reflect this, more clues, far less chance of forgetting standard operating procedures or even suggesting things. There is no lack of player freedom in prohibiting an INT 4 character from thinking of something incredible (of course looking behind a picture is not too incredible) they freely chose to place that score there and should complain about it later. They want all the benefits of their choices but not of the detriments. Yet people will whine, so I haven't had an INT 4 character and wouldn't allow one unless your willing to play as INT 4. [/QUOTE]

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