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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 3434944" data-attributes="member: 14451">I agree with this.I think though, that the main reason that the players have more control is because there are rules to cover just about anything you want to do in the game.&nbsp; This includes sex, drinking and going to the bathroom if you have the right pdfs, and they are out there.Sure it says in the 3.0 and 3.5 DMG that the DM is the master of all and he/she is in charge, but it is not the same as the first statement in the AD&amp;D books that said the same thing.&nbsp; Why, because of all the rules.&nbsp; The more rules you have, the more freedom is lost by the DM.&nbsp; The rules in OD&amp;D and AD&amp;D where fairly vague, so if you wanted to do something outside of the rules, the DM didn't have a huge set of rules to sift through to see if you could, he just determined you could or could not.&nbsp; In 3.0, chance are there is a rule to cover whatever you want to do and when you tell a player they can't do something or that the results are different from what they expect, they will show you many different rules and reasons why it could and would work the way they want.&nbsp; With so many rules and splat books and such, it is very hard to know all the rules.&nbsp; DMs these days constantly get bombarded with rules they had never seen before.&nbsp; Even if you just stick to the core books, there are enough rules to sink a ship.If you ask me, it is the sheer total mass of the rules that try and cover every angle that make a DM almost meaningless.I loved AD&amp;D, but for me 2nd edition was lacking in a great many things.&nbsp; I thought 3.0 was nuts.&nbsp; I liked the feats and skills.&nbsp; I thought it was a nice element, and I got hooked like a drug to the idea of give me more feats and skills.&nbsp; In the end though, too many options spoiled 3.0 for me, specially when you start to figure out how to break the game.&nbsp; In AD&amp;D a player couldn't break the game the way they can today.3.5 is refreshing.&nbsp; It gives you the nice stuff and cleaned up rules that make more sense without overpowering the game.&nbsp; Well, it can still be overpowered, but not as easily broken.I think that the sheer amount of rules subdues the DM and the increase in higher level character HD and damage amounts ruins play at higher levels.&nbsp; IMO, the game breaks down mathematically around 14th level.&nbsp; Gygax realized this when he created AD&amp;D and stopped HD progression after a while and cap damage limits to spells.&nbsp; Anyway, after this level, the game heavily favors mages and other spell caster, but that is really a different topic all together.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 3434944, member: 14451"] I agree with this. I think though, that the main reason that the players have more control is because there are rules to cover just about anything you want to do in the game. This includes sex, drinking and going to the bathroom if you have the right pdfs, and they are out there. Sure it says in the 3.0 and 3.5 DMG that the DM is the master of all and he/she is in charge, but it is not the same as the first statement in the AD&D books that said the same thing. Why, because of all the rules. The more rules you have, the more freedom is lost by the DM. The rules in OD&D and AD&D where fairly vague, so if you wanted to do something outside of the rules, the DM didn't have a huge set of rules to sift through to see if you could, he just determined you could or could not. In 3.0, chance are there is a rule to cover whatever you want to do and when you tell a player they can't do something or that the results are different from what they expect, they will show you many different rules and reasons why it could and would work the way they want. With so many rules and splat books and such, it is very hard to know all the rules. DMs these days constantly get bombarded with rules they had never seen before. Even if you just stick to the core books, there are enough rules to sink a ship. If you ask me, it is the sheer total mass of the rules that try and cover every angle that make a DM almost meaningless. I loved AD&D, but for me 2nd edition was lacking in a great many things. I thought 3.0 was nuts. I liked the feats and skills. I thought it was a nice element, and I got hooked like a drug to the idea of give me more feats and skills. In the end though, too many options spoiled 3.0 for me, specially when you start to figure out how to break the game. In AD&D a player couldn't break the game the way they can today. 3.5 is refreshing. It gives you the nice stuff and cleaned up rules that make more sense without overpowering the game. Well, it can still be overpowered, but not as easily broken. I think that the sheer amount of rules subdues the DM and the increase in higher level character HD and damage amounts ruins play at higher levels. IMO, the game breaks down mathematically around 14th level. Gygax realized this when he created AD&D and stopped HD progression after a while and cap damage limits to spells. Anyway, after this level, the game heavily favors mages and other spell caster, but that is really a different topic all together. [/QUOTE]

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