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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3437424" data-attributes="member: 18280">Earlier, someone posted that this wasn't strongly stated, and you asked &quot;What more could they do?&quot;&nbsp; I then pointed out that it was more strongly stated in earlier editions -- which you seemed to take umbrage at.Whether or not it is strongly stated enough is certainly open to debate.&nbsp; However, it is clearly more strongly stated in earlier editions (especially 1e) than it is in 3.X.I also contest the idea that &quot;Ask your DM before you do anything&quot; appears time after time in book after book -- it appears, from the quotes you've made, one time per book at best, and often with no special emphasis.If I say &quot;You must X&quot; once per book without special emphasis, and I say &quot;You should be able to Y&quot; several hundred times, I would argue that the average reader will go away with the message that &quot;You should be able to Y&quot; rather than &quot;You must X&quot;, and will perhaps come to the conclusion that &quot;You should be able to Y&quot; takes precedence over &quot;You must X&quot;.This may not be the case, but it is certainly more a thing to examine than a thing to dismiss.&nbsp; IMHO, at least.Also, in 1e at least, the DMG broke down XP awards, so we know exactly why the orc was worth the XP value given.&nbsp; COnversely, in 3e, we have no clear idea why some monsters were given the CRs they have.RCRC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3437424, member: 18280"] Earlier, someone posted that this wasn't strongly stated, and you asked "What more could they do?" I then pointed out that it was more strongly stated in earlier editions -- which you seemed to take umbrage at. Whether or not it is [i]strongly stated enough[/i] is certainly open to debate. However, it is clearly more strongly stated in earlier editions (especially 1e) than it is in 3.X. I also contest the idea that "Ask your DM before you do anything" appears time after time in book after book -- it appears, from the quotes you've made, one time per book at best, and often with no special emphasis. If I say "You must X" once per book without special emphasis, and I say "You should be able to Y" several hundred times, I would argue that the average reader will go away with the message that "You should be able to Y" rather than "You must X", and will perhaps come to the conclusion that "You should be able to Y" takes precedence over "You must X". [i]This may not be the case[/i], but it is certainly more a thing to examine than a thing to dismiss. IMHO, at least. Also, in 1e at least, the DMG broke down XP awards, so we know [i]exactly[/i] why the orc was worth the XP value given. COnversely, in 3e, we have no clear idea why some monsters were given the CRs they have. RC RC [/QUOTE]

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