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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RFisher" data-source="post: 3439187" data-attributes="member: 3608">Wasn't there something like that in one of Ray Winninger's Dungeoncraft articles in Dragon? ('Cause I discovered the classic D&D dominion rules because of that.)Well, we never went as far as "swinging from chandeliers", but that wasn't what my group wanted.In some ways, I think AD&D really confused this issue for my group. It seemed to swing between levels of abstraction. With very little explaination that this was really just a collection of (what had been) independent house rules. With very little guidance on why you might or might not want to use something in your game. It might have been better if AD&D had continued the base + supplements structure.I think our classic Traveller games were much more coherent & went beyond the books much more freely.There is no doubt that my ability to enjoy classic D&D as much as I am depends upon things I've learned here, at Dragonsfoot, on the Wizards OOP forum, on the Pied Piper boards, during the C&C playtest, & elsewhere during the last several years.That said, I would've abandoned AD&D much, much sooner had our games been nothing but hp-attrition combats & truly random save-or-die traps. We did apply tactics to combat. We did have interesting explorations of not-entirely-arbitrary dungeons. We did do a lot of non-combat, non-dungeon things on role-playing & DM judgement (or fiat) alone.No. It is smart marketing. If my company's sale force tried to sell enterprise products to our mid-sized customers, we wouldn't be one of the dominate players in our market. (Imperfect, like all analogies. So, please don't bother poking holes in the analogy.) The TSR of that period understood that the DMG wasn't for everyone, so they planned expected sales accordingly. That's why the PHB was a separate book from the DMG. That's why they had a separate D&D line, three (four if you count FITS) other role-playing games, board games, minigames, &c.Even Wizards has never been first & foremost a D&D company.</blockquote>

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