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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3442485" data-attributes="member: 48965">I mean the disconnect of how some abilities are skills and others are &quot;class&quot; abilities.&nbsp; I can learn to move silently, hide, disable device, etc. just by spending skill points.&nbsp; In order to fight better(in a general sense) I have to take a new class, or to fight better (w/a specific weapon)spend a feat.&nbsp; It's a disconnect in my mind.&nbsp; C&amp;C makes everything relevant to that class an actual class ability, and since there are no skills there is no disconnect for me. YMMV of courseI think the six saves stops the Charisma as throw away attribute(unless your a sorcerer, paladin or bard in D&amp;D 3.x).&nbsp; It means all your attributes are relevant to a point and I like this better, it's a stylistic thing IMHO.&nbsp; I think that 3.x simplifies the saves too much and draws an often confusing parallel between Wisdom and Charisma.&nbsp; I still don't get how being wise equates to your actual willpower.&nbsp; There have been countles people who may not have been wise but we're able to force their views on others and resist attempts at persuasion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 3442485, member: 48965"] I mean the disconnect of how some abilities are skills and others are "class" abilities. I can learn to move silently, hide, disable device, etc. just by spending skill points. In order to fight better(in a general sense) I have to take a new class, or to fight better (w/a specific weapon)spend a feat. It's a disconnect in my mind. C&C makes everything relevant to that class an actual class ability, and since there are no skills there is no disconnect for me. YMMV of course I think the six saves stops the Charisma as throw away attribute(unless your a sorcerer, paladin or bard in D&D 3.x). It means all your attributes are relevant to a point and I like this better, it's a stylistic thing IMHO. I think that 3.x simplifies the saves too much and draws an often confusing parallel between Wisdom and Charisma. I still don't get how being wise equates to your actual willpower. There have been countles people who may not have been wise but we're able to force their views on others and resist attempts at persuasion. [/QUOTE]

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