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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3443460" data-attributes="member: 48965">First slow down and read my post. No where do I say it's as hard as a calculus exam, in fact I state the opposite.&nbsp; But I also don't buy a five minute character either. &nbsp;Okay so&nbsp; you don't think 15 to 30min per character for a four or five party group is longer than BD&amp;D or AD&amp;D.&nbsp; Whether you prefer it, isn't the question but there is added complexity and making a character under 3e does not take 5min.So what is the learning curve for D&amp;D?&nbsp; You seem to want to underestimate it, but in order for a player to understand all the rules in the game there is a big learning curve(you can argue he/she doesn't need to know every rule, but then that's true for simpler games as well so it evens out.), magnitudes larger than such games as C&amp;C, BD&amp;D, etc.&nbsp; If you feel that's not true tell me why?With how much familiarity and how accurate are they...it's a guessing game just like designing your own Prestige classes, or anything else without concrete deasign rues.&nbsp; For you it might be easier, for me going over someone elses design, and tweaking, fixing, adjusting is just as tiresome.Where did I say it was as hard as a calculus exam?&nbsp; That's cool different strokes for different folks but those who argue D&amp;D 3.x is just as simple as BD&amp;D or C&amp;C...I just don't buy it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 3443460, member: 48965"] First slow down and read my post. No where do I say it's as hard as a calculus exam, in fact I state the opposite. But I also don't buy a five minute character either. Okay so you don't think 15 to 30min per character for a four or five party group is longer than BD&D or AD&D. Whether you prefer it, isn't the question but there is added complexity and making a character under 3e does not take 5min. So what is the learning curve for D&D? You seem to want to underestimate it, but in order for a player to understand all the rules in the game there is a big learning curve(you can argue he/she doesn't need to know every rule, but then that's true for simpler games as well so it evens out.), magnitudes larger than such games as C&C, BD&D, etc. If you feel that's not true tell me why? With how much familiarity and how accurate are they...it's a guessing game just like designing your own Prestige classes, or anything else without concrete deasign rues. For you it might be easier, for me going over someone elses design, and tweaking, fixing, adjusting is just as tiresome. Where did I say it was as hard as a calculus exam? That's cool different strokes for different folks but those who argue D&D 3.x is just as simple as BD&D or C&C...I just don't buy it. [/QUOTE]

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