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And Here It Is - Wil Wheaton's TABLETOP RPG Show Is TITANSGRAVE: THE ASHES OF VALKANA
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<blockquote data-quote="Iosue" data-source="post: 7666283" data-attributes="member: 6680772"><p>Indubitably. However, I was responding to Paraxis's post about how Wil pronounced "ronin", not how he pronounced the company name "Green Ronin." As you say, Green Ronin is free to have their company name pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove" if they so desire. However, if Wil is pronouncing it as they prefer, and they reason they use that particular pronunciation is an attempt to more accurate pronunciation, then they have not quite hit the target.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If Wil had used the widely used loan-word pronunciation (rhymes with "in"), no one would have said a thing, despite it being technically wrong. The way he pronounced it gave the suggestion of a deliberate attempt (whether originating from Wil, or the folks at GR) at accurate mimicking of pronunciation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My 21 years of Japanese and degree in its language and literature say that he is not. (And Google Translate's audio example agrees.) It also says that ronin no more rhymes with spleen or green than "bed" rhymes with "aid". "ee" for "i" is a quick and dirty way to get a rough approximation, while avoiding pronunciation of "i" as in "it", "bit", or "wind". "I" in Japanese is pronounced like the "i" in "ink" or "drink" -- a very similar <em>quality</em> to "ee", but shorter, and certainly not rhyming.</p><p></p><p>Which is perfectly fine, by the way. If that's what Green Ronin want to call themselves, more power to them! It's just not any more correct than the other way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hopefully from my post and/or the Google Translate audio sample, and not from Wil Wheaton's pronunciation...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iosue, post: 7666283, member: 6680772"] Indubitably. However, I was responding to Paraxis's post about how Wil pronounced "ronin", not how he pronounced the company name "Green Ronin." As you say, Green Ronin is free to have their company name pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove" if they so desire. However, if Wil is pronouncing it as they prefer, and they reason they use that particular pronunciation is an attempt to more accurate pronunciation, then they have not quite hit the target. If Wil had used the widely used loan-word pronunciation (rhymes with "in"), no one would have said a thing, despite it being technically wrong. The way he pronounced it gave the suggestion of a deliberate attempt (whether originating from Wil, or the folks at GR) at accurate mimicking of pronunciation. My 21 years of Japanese and degree in its language and literature say that he is not. (And Google Translate's audio example agrees.) It also says that ronin no more rhymes with spleen or green than "bed" rhymes with "aid". "ee" for "i" is a quick and dirty way to get a rough approximation, while avoiding pronunciation of "i" as in "it", "bit", or "wind". "I" in Japanese is pronounced like the "i" in "ink" or "drink" -- a very similar [i]quality[/i] to "ee", but shorter, and certainly not rhyming. Which is perfectly fine, by the way. If that's what Green Ronin want to call themselves, more power to them! It's just not any more correct than the other way. Hopefully from my post and/or the Google Translate audio sample, and not from Wil Wheaton's pronunciation... [/QUOTE]
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