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<blockquote data-quote="H.M.Gimlord" data-source="post: 5616954" data-attributes="member: 79440"><p>[OOC]By my count, Eithal should actually be at 59 (78-9-3-7) since Stone's Endurance reduces damage from each attack by 5.[/OOC]</p><p></p><p>[OOC]Usually...</p><p></p><p>As long as creatures have cover at the beginning of the encounter (whether by darkness or obstruction), it's the DM's discretion as to whether they begin in a hidden state. I kind of liked the opening with creatures coming out of the woodwork. Well done! </p><p></p><p>Once the creature attacks, it is <s>visible</s> hidden until it moves into <em><u>superior cover</u> </em>(no more than one corner of the occupied square is visible to the target) or <u><em>total concealment</em></u> (heavily obscured square not adjacent to target) at which time it can make a stealth check against each characters passive perception. PCs against whom the creature has superior cover/total concealment <em>and</em> who have lower PP than the stealth roll cannot see the creature until it attacks, makes noise, etc... I think there's also a complicated rule about moving more than 2 squares and failing a stealth check at -5. The creature only has to maintain normal cover in order to stay <s>invisible</s> hidden.</p><p></p><p>Whew! Clear as Mud?</p><p></p><p>In other words...</p><p>I'm assuming that illumination is "dim light", in which case...</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">None of the creatures on the map have superior cover from any PC.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Red Cap at H12 cannot claim superior cover against anyone but Toeto. Not only this, but he attacked after his move, so he cannot even make the stealth check.</li> </ul><p>Also, even if we are in darkness rather than dim light, where all creatures have total concealment against all non-adjacent creatures, they cannot make stealth rolls to become <s>invisible</s> hidden since all the bad guys moved before their attacks.</p><p></p><p>This all, of course, is caveated by the fact that you are the DM, and can choose to alter things how you choose <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />.[/OOC][OOC]Eithal will go last to let the others take advantage of her marks and grabbed state. In other words...</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Croc can't bite you (he's got Eithal in his mouth). If for some reason he has a basic attack with his tail, see the next bullet point.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you draw an OA from the blue guy at M7 (or the Croc), he's got a -4 to hit and Eithal can use one of her warden powers, so chances are you can attack, get around, or by him(them) without too much trouble)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Whatever you do</strong>, don't mark either of these two or it all goes away.</li> </ul><p>[/OOC]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="H.M.Gimlord, post: 5616954, member: 79440"] [OOC]By my count, Eithal should actually be at 59 (78-9-3-7) since Stone's Endurance reduces damage from each attack by 5.[/OOC] [OOC]Usually... As long as creatures have cover at the beginning of the encounter (whether by darkness or obstruction), it's the DM's discretion as to whether they begin in a hidden state. I kind of liked the opening with creatures coming out of the woodwork. Well done! Once the creature attacks, it is [s]visible[/s] hidden until it moves into [I][U]superior cover[/U] [/I](no more than one corner of the occupied square is visible to the target) or [U][I]total concealment[/I][/U] (heavily obscured square not adjacent to target) at which time it can make a stealth check against each characters passive perception. PCs against whom the creature has superior cover/total concealment [I]and[/I] who have lower PP than the stealth roll cannot see the creature until it attacks, makes noise, etc... I think there's also a complicated rule about moving more than 2 squares and failing a stealth check at -5. The creature only has to maintain normal cover in order to stay [s]invisible[/s] hidden. Whew! Clear as Mud? In other words... I'm assuming that illumination is "dim light", in which case... [LIST] [*]None of the creatures on the map have superior cover from any PC. [*]Red Cap at H12 cannot claim superior cover against anyone but Toeto. Not only this, but he attacked after his move, so he cannot even make the stealth check. [/LIST] Also, even if we are in darkness rather than dim light, where all creatures have total concealment against all non-adjacent creatures, they cannot make stealth rolls to become [s]invisible[/s] hidden since all the bad guys moved before their attacks. This all, of course, is caveated by the fact that you are the DM, and can choose to alter things how you choose ;).[/OOC][OOC]Eithal will go last to let the others take advantage of her marks and grabbed state. In other words... [LIST] [*]The Croc can't bite you (he's got Eithal in his mouth). If for some reason he has a basic attack with his tail, see the next bullet point. [*]If you draw an OA from the blue guy at M7 (or the Croc), he's got a -4 to hit and Eithal can use one of her warden powers, so chances are you can attack, get around, or by him(them) without too much trouble) [*][B]Whatever you do[/B], don't mark either of these two or it all goes away. [/LIST] [/OOC] [/QUOTE]
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