Animal Companions and Polymorph

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Cameron

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Hi, all.

New here. I am fairly conversant with the rules of the game, and because of that, I have been having some issues with my DM, who isn't as... well, "logical" I guess is the best word for it. Not being mean here, but he doesn't seem to think in a step-by-step progression of cause and effect.

I am currently playing the iconic Druid3/Wizard3/Mystic Theurge2/Arcane Hierophant10 dual-caster, and I am very... inventive... with my spells. You know, doing things like Greasing walls to make someone fall 300ft, using the Quicken Spells/Feeblemind/Ray of Stupidity combo, etc., which is probably a good thing since we never get arcane scrolls I can use and I am frequently stuck with only my base 2 spells per level as spells known (he doesn't believe in the Ye Olde Magic Shoppe either, so I am also boned that way). All this seems to have scared the bejeezus out of him and he is (well, to me anyway) seems to be nerfing my spells everytime I turn around. For example, Ray of Stupidity is now like Ray of Enfeeblement (so I can 1 round kill most Fighter-types anymore by reducing their Int to 0). He has nerfed other things and plain disallowed everything else.

I was OK with it (unhappy but OK), since those were generally non-PHB stuff (well, he did nerf the Teleport series of spells, but since I never liked them myself, I am OK with that too). But things finally came to a head last session when he turned around and nerfed Polymorph Any Object, a PHB spell. He basically ruled that it is an 8th level version of Polymorph/Baleful Polymorph except that you can target objects. So no Outsider, Undead or Construct forms, directly contradicting Skip in his "Rules of the Game" articles. Well, I was sort of OK with that. I mean it wasn't explicitly stated that you do get them, even though it explicitly says that you can turn *any* creature or object into *any* other creature or object. But it does mean that if you want to buff yourself, you are better off using the 4th level spell.

Then, I tried to PAO my companion familiar into a Young Gold Dragon, and he says that none of my Druid companion bonuses (extra HD, natural AC, bonus Str/Dex, etc.) would work on it as the bonus HD are part of the animal and so get wiped by the spell as per the rules. This is what really made me angry. I mean he happily follows the rule that an animal companion doesn't get the 1/4 level stat increase or grow in size and get all the increased size benefits because the extra HD is part of me as a Druid, not a natural part of the animal, but now he turns around and says that they are part of the animal for this spell? Few things gets me as worked up as biased/unfair/hypocratic actions, and this last one has made me want to leave the game altogether.

So, now, my question to you all:
How would you adjudicate a POA cast on a companion familiar with regards to the bonus stuff that a Druid gives to his animal companion?
 

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Few things gets me as worked up as biased/unfair/hypocratic actions, and this last one has made me want to leave the game altogether.
Go. Find a new game. Both of you will be happier.

The Bonus HD given to the druid's companion are not treated as HD advancement. Also that has nothing to do with changing the companion to a new creature type. Awakening an animal causes them to stop being animal companion, that’s less extreme than PAOing the thing into a dragon. I feel your DM has made the right call
 
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frankthedm said:
Go. Find a new game. Both of you will be happier.

The Bonus HD given to the druid's companion are not treated as HD advancement. Also that has nothing to do with changing the companion to a new creature type. Awakening an animal causes them to stop being animal companion, that’s less extreme than PAOing the thing into a dragon. I feel your DM has made the right call

So, you are saying that if I Polymorph my animal companion into a Dragon, all the extra HD, natural AC, Str and Dex boosts, the multi-attack, evasion, etc., are all no longer valid?

OK. That is fine. But can you please sort this seemingly paradoxical situation out for me?

1. The bonus HD and stuff is not a function of the animal, but a function of the Druid. That is why it doesn't give the normal benefits of advancing an animal's HD (size, stats, etc.), but it does give feats and skills as those are explicitly stated.
2. Polymorph turns the animal companion into a standard creature of the target type. You lose most of your racial stuff (AC, stats, etc.) in favour of the new shape's. However, the HD and bonus stuff is considered part of the racial abilities and thus does not carry over to the new form.

So, is the bonus the Druid's animal companion give a function of the Druid or the animal companion? If it is a function of the Druid, then what form the companion takes should not matter. It gets the bonuses. If it is not a function of the Druid but a function of the animal, then why doesn't it get normal benefits of an advanced animal?

Last, but not least, the Exalted Companion feat does allow you to get an animal companion of the Magical Beast type. How does that factor into your ruling of the bonus stuff being keyed in to creature type?
 
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Dude, seriously, you're trying to rules-lawyer your way into having a dragon animal companion without paying for it in some way.

A dragon is not an animal, and therefore as soon as your companion turns into one, he can no longer be your animal companion.

Only giving you two spells per level and no more is a big power down for the wizard. However, given that you also have druid casting, it's not really the end of the world. Its still 4 spells per spell level. Does he never send wizards at you guys? Where are their spellbooks? No opponents ever carry scrolls?

Finally, I wouldn't whine that he nerfed your 1 round auto-kill (well, not kill, but incapacitation)... why would you even want to use something like that? It's not fun, it's too easy.

It sounds like you and this DM play very different styles. Also sounds like maybe this DM is fairly new to high level play and doesn't know how to deal with the vast amount of power spellcasters have accrued by that level.

Might be better to find another game if you can.

-Nate
 

I would let you polymorph your animal companion into a gold dragon.

Then I would follow the RAW that states it becomes the entire being, physically and mentally.

Then I would have the dragon say "Its been great, fella, but with my new intelligence and skillset i'm outta here for better things."

Thats what *I* would do.

There is a fine line between thinking of a crazy insane combo that would totally ruin the GMs day (in my case figuring out I could, as an earth elemental that can see through rock, cast any line-of-sight but not line-of-effect spells all day without any downside whatsoever) and actually trying to do that in the game, ruining it for your GM and everyone else playing.

DS
 



Sabathius42 said:
Not having a book with me, any of the Summon Monster spells come to mind.

"You must have a clear line of effect to any target that you cast a spell on or to any space in which you wish to create an effect. You must have a clear line of effect to the point of origin of any spell you cast."

A summoned monster is an effect. You must have line of effect to any space in which you wish to create an effect.

If you're earth gliding, and you want to summon a monster in the room above, you can't - you need line of effect to where the monster will appear.

-Hyp.
 


Actually, I beg to differ. I have been told by several sources that the ENWorld Boards are about as friendly as a bunch of bee-stung wolverines. But I thought I'd ask for a bit of clarification here since it is an issue that is bothering me. I guess I should really have listened to my friends and not bother.

To the chap that called me a rules lawyer: PAO does not grant me a dragon. It grants me an animal in the form of a dragon. It only get the natural armour and physical stats (plus Int) of the dragon. It has none of the other abilities, nor does it have the HP, saves, skills, etc. Thus, I am not getting a dragon. I am merely getting an animal Polymorphed into one.

To the chap that would like to hit me with the dragon walking away: That is your right, I suppose, but be prepared for me to totally wreck your game after that. After all, it is only fair that if you pull a stunt like that, I get to pull one too, correct? I wonder how well the party would survive if I stop trying to help them in combats...

All those silliness aside: What you are all saying is that Polymorph is banned for animal companions and the like, correct? And that it is not to be used as a buff?

I am still waiting for an answer on where the bonus HD comes from: The druid or the animal itself.
 

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