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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 5807027" data-attributes="member: 10784">ok - got it.  I'd agree on both counts.  There have been several times where the 4E combat outcome is not in doubt, but might still take several more rounds to actually finish.Back in 2E days, the DM of my old group used to run massive, epic combats.  We had an even bigger group then - 10 players.  One encounter was the 10 PCs, 2 key NPCs, plus 30 caravan drovers and merchants on one side vs like 80 lizardmen, 6 giant dragonflies, a giant crocodile, two lizardmen shaman, including one who summoned a water elemental and a giant snake.  But, it was basically 42 or so on one side, and nearly 100 on the other side.It was still a long combat (several PCs were dropped below 0, but back then, another PC/ally only needed to reach you in order to stabilize you...) - but, it took up most of one five hour session.  However, that sized combat in 3E would have taken 3 full sessions, and would have had to have been broken up into 4-5 combats in 4E, likely taking 2 full sessions.</blockquote>