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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 4973143" data-attributes="member: 2518">No. "Epic" and "Cinematic" has nothing to do with something being silly or not (Not completely correct. "Cinematic" and "Silly" very often go hand in hand). DMs making a combat with a deity cinematic should be pretty normal. That still doesn't change that the one use canaries are silly when you assume that thos canaries are his bodyguards (which is heavily implied).Only when the players don't look close enough. If they don't then 4e can of course be used to creating cinematic scenes, likely better than in previous editions. But when they start to look behind the cinematic effects they fill find silly mechanics. Some players care and some don't. I do care, not by choice, but because thats simply how I work. And thus I have a hard time understanding why someone would defend such a silly mechanic.Except thats exactly what they did. Bahamut does always have this allies as default. Its just that their power varies considerably, depending on if they are encountered with Bahamut or alone.In my eyes that is bad mechanic.To make it make sense you either have to alter Bahamut or alter the fluff text of the bodyguards (the likely route to go). But as written by WotC its just silly.And to try to get this thing semi on topic again. Subdual encounters look ok. Nice to see this implemented as more of a code of honour than a hard mechanic.</blockquote>