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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5081135" data-attributes="member: 2011">I am not sure you read the DMG. It doesn't state which average they are discussing.Uh huh. Where exactly does one find "the average constitution of a monster of a certain role"?You made this up, right? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />What might the average be? The DMG does not state.It could be:Str 42 | Con 36, average = 39, +1Dex 26 | Int 3, average = 14.5, +5Wis 18 | Cha 7, average = 12.5, +2resulting in:AC: Level 30 + 12 + 2 = 44 (MM 43)Fort: Level 30 + 12 + Str (42-39) +1 = 43 (MM 49)Reflex: Level 30 + 12 + Dex (26-14.5) +5 + 2 = 49 (MM 38)Will: Level 30 + 12 + Wis (18-12.5) +2 + 2 = 46 (MM 32)But this doesn't make any sense. It does the opposite of the intent.The only thing that makes sense is either:1) Take the sum of all of the ability scores for the monster, divide by 6 to get the average ability score.or2) Take the highest of each defense pair, sum them, divide by 3 to get the average ability score used to calculate a defense.#2 makes more sense because it determines the current defense on the average defenses for that particular monster, but it looks like they used #1 in some cases in the MM.</blockquote>