D&D 5E Any Realms news?

They are basically reverting the changes through in world deus ex machina, though (just like they implemented them, making previous ''history'' moot in the new era --even though FR authors have been trying to tie the two parts as of recent--. And of those 100 years of history, only a really minor part is actually ''history'', the rest is mostly blank space). They have said that the Realms had gone off track, or something along those lines, then they talked about restoring the feel and ''old faces'' coming back and so on. Given that so many of the end 3e and 4e changes were about removing stuff, I'd say that it is a pretty major change.

From everything written in the Sundering adventures, in the Starter Set adventure, in the novels printed since the Sundering, as well as the hints I've seen some of the devs post online, it REALLY sounds like the 5e Realms is almost identical to the end of the 4E Realms.

A couple of WOTC people have said that the 4e Realms book is still mostly correct. The Adventurer's League Player's Guide tells you to refer to the 4E FRCG for information about the Realms.

As far as I can tell, the situation is that the Realms is still nearly identical to the 4e book except that Mystra and some other gods have come back and everyone is aware of them and are worshiping them again. The Weave has returned and people are once again casting magic using it instead of the Non-Weave casting method they invented after the Spellplague. The countries that have appeared as part of the Sundering are all reverting to their pre-spellplague condition. The implication is that their description from 3e is likely still mostly correct. Elminster has regained his full power. Though most of the main characters are still dead because of the time difference between the 3e books and now as well as many of them dying in the Spellplague. Drizzt and all his companions are back alive again due to the events of the novels.

Otherwise, it appears to be business as usual for the Realms. If you are a really big Realmslore fanatic, I know that you'll really want a lot more detail than this. However, the Realms are able to be run in their current form with that information.
 

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I'm aware of those changes, but they're incomplete. I've heard them saying that the novels and other stuff are only a narrow part of the whole event (they described it to something akin to a snapshot of small regions during the WW2). The changes in the lands/pantheons and so on described in the books that we have now are only a fraction of what the Sundering is supposed to be. It also makes sense, since they have repeatedly hyped the Sundering as the RSE to end them all and change the world forever and ever and to restore the old feel and so on. Besides, with all the new stuff that Ed has been working on and lore being written on supposedly gone elements, you'd expect way more changes and more returning faces than FR 4.1e (and what would the point of a 4.1e FR be anyway? Besides selling novels ofc, but they could have come up with a RSE that is unrelated to the whole ''bring back the old Realms'' matter, like the Sundering was).

The organized play also refers to the 3e FRCS AFAIK.
 
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I don't think WotC wants to disclose much about the FR.
They know that the story is a mess with this "not a retcon" retcon and even in the limited information they have published there are already holes, for example that deities in 5E are more distant again and don't intervene directly and yet their first module (and second, too) is about summoning a deity directly into the realms (whos imprisonment was another giant retcon out of nowhere).

I think they know fully well that by revealing everything about the FR they will anger larger portions of the fanbase, especially considering their "fast and lose" handling of the lore seen so far.
Instead they release only small bits of information and let everyone hope that it will be good. That tactic served them well during the development of 5E.
 

I'm aware of those changes, but they're incomplete. I've heard them saying that the novels and other stuff are only a narrow part of the whole event (they described it to something akin to a snapshot of small regions during the WW2). The changes in the lands/pantheons and so on described in the books that we have now are only a fraction of what the Sundering is supposed to be. It also makes sense, since they have repeatedly hyped the Sundering as the RSE to end them all and change the world forever and ever and to restore the old feel and so on. Besides, with all the new stuff that Ed has been working on and lore being written on supposedly gone elements, you'd expect way more changes and more returning faces than FR 4.1e (and what would the point of a 4.1e FR be anyway? Besides selling novels ofc, but they could have come up with a RSE that is unrelated to the whole ''bring back the old Realms'' matter, like the Sundering was).

The organized play also refers to the 3e FRCS AFAIK.

Yes. Here's what we know about the Sundering:

Old gods return: A number of old gods are reborn or recreated. Mostly due to the reforging of the Tablet of Fate.
The merging caused by the Spellplague reverses: All countries replaced are returned to their pre-spellplague geography and names
The Weave returns: Spellcasting works like it did pre-4e.
The Spellplague is completely healed: No more pockets of Spellplague. Spellscars disappear and Spellplagued creatures vanish
The planes change: Some of the planes are now more distant and hard to get to. The Shadowfell in particular.
Netheril is defeated: Elminister destroyed them and they are cut off from reinforcements from the Shadowfell.

Other than that, we really haven't been given any more information about the changes. Even in the overview panels they gave at conventions. I really don't think there is that much more to it. The novels are a narrow part of the event. But the impression I got from that statement was that although one of the novels tells about one country's geography slowly changing back to what it was pre-spellplague that it is only a small part of it because land all over the world changed...but the novel doesn't say that.

I assume there are some things we don't REALLY know about what has changed and we will have to wait for a FRCS for that information. Questions like: Other than Bhaal and Mystra returning, which other gods return? While the countries were in the world of Abeir, how did they change? Did the Simbul return?

But as for why they'd use the FR 4.1e...It's simple really. Not every change made in 4e was bad. Also, all of it is official history and is written in the novels at this point, so we need to use that as a jumping point. Only 10 years have passed since the 4e book, so there hasn't been much time for a lot of change.

I suspect most of what Ed is writing has to do with the questions I asked above. How do countries stuck in Abeir for 100 years look now that they've returned? WHY did the gods return precisely? Which gods? How do the countries around the world react to the new world order where Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Genasi are plentiful but the Dragonborn and Genasi seats of power suddenly vanish off the face of the planet? I assume Neverwinter might be partially rebuilt over the last 10 years, but still isn't the power it used to be.

Though, I don't expect any HUGE surprises when a FRCS eventually comes out. Keeping the Realms a fairly bland fantasy world is good for business because it means they can continue to set adventure paths there without DMs needing to know too many quirks of the Realms.
 

But as for why they'd use the FR 4.1e...It's simple really. Not every change made in 4e was bad. Also, all of it is official history and is written in the novels at this point, so we need to use that as a jumping point. Only 10 years have passed since the 4e book, so there hasn't been much time for a lot of change.

I know, the subtractive changes were the bad ones, the additive ones would have caused no problem. And I guess that most of the subtractive changes are the ones we're going to see reverted through the Sundering (according to what they've said, with old feel and faces returning): Halruua, Thay becoming a sort of zulkirate again, Mulhorand/Unther, the drow pantheon just to name a few. That's a pretty big change in my book, and it would be a big, happy surprise to me.
 

Alot of those changes sound pretty big to me.

I'm still mystified by them using the Realms for their first 5E adventures and their organized play without an update.
Especially when it follows periods of fan dissatisfaction and exodus (4E) and great change/renewal (the Sundering).

It really looks like WOTC is trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to use the Realms for name recognition becuase its known amongst computer game and novel fans as well as RPG people AND becuase then they don't have to make up as much stuff for their adventure paths.

Yet they can't be bothered to update the setting.

After the 4E fiasco, they took the time to fix the game for 5E.
Why don't they care enough about the Realms to do the same thing?
 

I don't think WotC wants to disclose much about the FR.
They know that the story is a mess with this "not a retcon" retcon and even in the limited information they have published there are already holes, for example that deities in 5E are more distant again and don't intervene directly and yet their first module (and second, too) is about summoning a deity directly into the realms (whos imprisonment was another giant retcon out of nowhere).

I think they know fully well that by revealing everything about the FR they will anger larger portions of the fanbase, especially considering their "fast and lose" handling of the lore seen so far.
Instead they release only small bits of information and let everyone hope that it will be good. That tactic served them well during the development of 5E.


The distant gods and Rise of Tiamat are not contradictory, the first leads to the other. RoT states that the reason Tiamat is imprisoned is the Sundering, and the ritual she is getting her followers to enact is to get around the new restrictions.
 

Alot of those changes sound pretty big to me.



I'm still mystified by them using the Realms for their first 5E adventures and their organized play without an update.

Especially when it follows periods of fan dissatisfaction and exodus (4E) and great change/renewal (the Sundering).



It really looks like WOTC is trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to use the Realms for name recognition becuase its known amongst computer game and novel fans as well as RPG people AND becuase then they don't have to make up as much stuff for their adventure paths.



Yet they can't be bothered to update the setting.



After the 4E fiasco, they took the time to fix the game for 5E.

Why don't they care enough about the Realms to do the same thing?


Well, look at it from this angle:

They have said they want fans to be able to use the Realms in whatever period that they desire. On D&D Classics, they have 4E, 3E, 2E and 1E Forgotten Realms material, reams and reams of it, for sale (noticeably no 1E Grey Box, yet...). Now, between the Adventurers League, the video games, the adventure paths and the novels, they are clearly not abandoning a continued metaplot for the Realms; but they also want to support people if they prefer a different era. I am sure they will release 5E Realms material, I personally am rooting for a boxed set. :)
 


Its okay. Its kinda COMMON to see the 'OH no, we are doomed !' threads of some variety in rpg forums. As I dont currently run a non Adv League version of the realms Im entirely prepared to wait for any campaign setting book they release for FR. I run a Pathfinder AP but thats set in Golarion so again no need for an FR book.

The last FR campaign I ran was actually set way way back during the Pool Of Radiance era.

Of course in the full knowledge that least some of the people here will be up in arms that

A) There hasnt been enough changes from 4e
B) There has been too many changes from 4e
C) I want 4e Toril back
D) There isnt enough, X is missing
etc etc

Im actually more bummed that I still have 'these' threads to look forward to.
 

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